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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Iran invested all its resources into proxies waging wars for it. Them being smashed means Iran is ruined on all those war investments. With economy in shambles and expansionist war failed, it's hardly "least damaged".

This is untrue on multiple levels. Iran invested most of its resources on its own military - the proxies are extremely cheap - and Iran's most powerful Iraqi proxies are fine, while the Houthis actually came out of this stronger.

who's the strongest proxies? i thought it was Hezbollah, who are now in shambles

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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"Social media showing people how incredibly biased traditional media is towards Israel" I learned how incredibly biased social media is against Israel. "Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the good guys" The same Hamas that murdered over 200 young people at a concert on Oct 7 2023? And paraded the dead body of a woman like a hunting trophy. The one thing that Hamas is NOT is "th…

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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> Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the guys Was the second “guys” supposed to have an adjective attached to it?

Why? I think most of us can recognize they're not necessarily good by our standards, so they're not the good guys. But they are the ones resisting a genocidal apartheid colonialist state, so they're at least better than the Israelis. So if we call Israel the bad guys, that leaves Hamas as... the guys.

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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The “briefcases full of cash” began flowing into Gaza in the mid-2010s, IIRC. Hamas had been in power in Gaza for around a decade at that point.

Israel has been funding anti PLO/PA efforts since the 80's https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-c...

Fine, sure, I guess - the article is demanding an email address so I can’t read it, but I buy it.

I’m responding to the statement “Netanyahu was the one that helped put them there in the first place. He did this to try and derail the two state solution - famously delivering them thoses briefcases full of cash.”

This is a vastly different statement than “Israel has been funding anti PLO/PA efforts since the 80’s”. It’s referring to a specific (“famous”!) instance, and attributing it to a specific person (Netanyahu), and putting it at a specific time frame (before Hamas seized power) so as to have a specific consequence (Hamas’ acquisition of power) for a specific reason (to derail a two state solution). Very little of this is correct: Netanyahu was not the one responsible for putting them into power (he wasn’t prime minister at the time), the Qatari money being referenced was allowed into Gaza many years after Hamas was in power, it was unlikely to do much to prevent a two state solution as one hadn’t really been on the table since Arafat, and so on.

That other people in the Israeli government, at a different time, backed Hamas in different instances for different reasons does not warrant conflating the two events. It’s like saying Bush did 9/11 because the CIA funded Bin Laden in the 80s.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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> Trump turned out to be the lesser of the evils This is based purely on his word which isn't worth all that much. Meanwhile Biden's actions has resulted in a ceasefire.

Biden utterly failed at getting a ceasefire. Bibi waited for the election hoping that trump would give him free rein. Instead Trump said end the war(and probably also said you can go ahead and annex the West Bank is exchange).

> Biden utterly failed at getting a ceasefire.

Just to add more context to this:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/11/biden-israel-pa...

There is no way for someone to pay attention to the Biden administration over the last year and come away with the impression that they were actually trying. Every single (rare) time they pretended to draw a line Israel violated it blatantly and Biden just ignored it. They weren't even credibly pretending to try.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

Gaza is completely unlivable and more Palestinians can be "persuaded" to move abroad now that they literally have no infrastructure to survive.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Gaza has changed.

Quite literally.

In genuinely morbid moment of being nerd snipped… I wonder if the ordinance dropped per square meter on Gaza is higher than the ordinance dropped be square meter on Vietnam… which was famously bombed so hard that detailed maps needed to be updated in order to accommodate how heavily cratered parts of the country were with heavily cratered hills and slopes literally shifting like a form of mechanical erosion by bombing.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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“Throwing stones kills” said the heavily armed settler laughing, leveling a rifle at my chest. Arabs never lived here. You are just a figment of history’s imagination, and must be expunged. The IDF soldiers standing around laughed as he pulled the trigger.

Almost on weekly basis there are terror attack of west-bank peaceful that are coordinate on civilians, last week 3 older women were murdered on daylight as "innocent west-bank 'peace makers'"... The different is that one side defend against such evil and brutal attacks, and the other side is cinicly "allow" to conduct them. For a tech-person I hope you have more critical thinking ability to spot different.

you should be more specifc. this reads as though youre trying to say that israeli government representatives killed some Palestinians in the west bank as part of their occupation and ethnic cleasing campaign, but im not clear that thats what youre intending to say

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Hamas has been considerably weakened. Their arsenal of rockets and weapons is depleted. At the beginning of the war thousands of rockets were being shot into Israel and now there are very few and the ones that are are quite crude. Hezbollah entered the war immediately and said the only way they would exit is if Hamas exists. Israel retaliated, killed their leader, decimated their forces, and negotiated a ceasefire th…

Israel has likely also created multiple generations of anger and hate against themselves. They may have reduced the likelihood of another Oct 7 in the near term, but 50 years is not something I would count on

> Israel has likely also created multiple generations of anger and hate against themselves

Israel would have created multiple generations of emboldened anger and hate against themselves if they failed to respond to the massacre and mass kidnapping.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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100% support ceasefire. 100% agree Israel overdid it. 100% support Hamas must cease to exist. Don't leave that last part out

IDF 100% should cease to exist as well. It's long overdue. I don't know how an organization can officially be labelled as genocidal and be allowed to continue functioning as they do

It helps to have the backing of the US.
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