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JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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> But, if you could work from anywhere, why wouldn't you want to be in the coolest city in the world? Large cities are like black licorice. The people who like them, really like them, but most of us think they're kind of gross.

It's more like eating meat. You need to get past major mental blocks before getting used to it. Americans start conversations with assumptions like: * We need space because all amenities must be privately owned at home * You should be able to drive everywhere * 30 minutes driving is the same as 30 minutes on transit * Street walking & biking are unsafe hobbies, not modes of transport * The average American city is a…

> In other countries and cities insulated from these changes, the criticisms fall flat.

Yes and no. Much of the world does a better job with their cities than the U.S., and as a result there is a little more demand for that type of development.

But overall, preferences are shockingly similar across cultures.

Anywhere people have the means to afford automobiles, they tend to buy them and increasingly embrace a suburban life style, at least at an aggregate level. If you look at new construction in places like Western Europe or China, a lot of new development is very similar to what you see in the U.S., with a bit of local flavor thrown in.

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It's more like eating meat. You need to get past major mental blocks before getting used to it. Americans start conversations with assumptions like: * We need space because all amenities must be privately owned at home * You should be able to drive everywhere * 30 minutes driving is the same as 30 minutes on transit * Street walking & biking are unsafe hobbies, not modes of transport * The average American city is a…

> In other countries and cities insulated from these changes, the criticisms fall flat. Yes and no. Much of the world does a better job with their cities than the U.S., and as a result there is a little more demand for that type of development. But overall, preferences are shockingly similar across cultures. Anywhere people have the means to afford automobiles, they tend to buy them and increasingly embrace a suburba…

This doesn't match my experiences with India, SEA or mainland Europe.

Suburban lifestyle can only exist in a world where urban areas already exist. They rely on the city-dwellers to create the experiences, entertainment & economic hubs. Then suburbanites separate themselves from the city, reducing geographic inflow and tax outflow, while demanding equal access to all of those amenities. It's a one-way street.

Cities around the world are becoming wise to it. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Amenities like free parking for all, wide streets, downtown interstates & property taxes based sequestering defined the 1950s-2000s suburban chokehold. As a result, city dwellers experienced suburbanite imposed forced misery. With the return of bike lanes, traffic calming, interstate removal and congestion pricing, city dwellers are beginning to reclaim the city for themselves. Or so I hope.

Re: JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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Work in a city; live in the suburbs.

I don't know what it's like where you are, but I'm in NYC and the thought that the city is so destitute because of WFH policies such that there must be a conspiracy to bring people back is probably the most ridiculous thing I've seen this week.

I know what I think. I also think I know what you are trying to say.

That said, before I address what I think you mean, could you elaborate a little? I want to give you a chance to explain your point further.

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I dislike RTO for one simple reason . I'm not at work to make friends, I'm not at work to chit chat. I'm not at work so we can talk about who won the last football game . I go to work in exchange for currency, which is required to acquire goods and services. All this other crap, all these holiday parties, all of this let's dance in diversity videos, no that's not what I'm here for . Most of the time coming to the off…

> If I had to think, I imagine the entire point of RTO mandates is to keep cities sustainable. More like to keep cities unsustainable. If a few major real estate companies went bankrupt, forcing the rest to lower the rents, a lot of wealth would be destroyed. At the same time, cities like New York would become even more desirable due to being more affordable. NYC is still the #1 city in the world. There are plenty of…

Agreed, NYC is awesome.

Let me take the $4,000 a month I save by not living there, I'll spend 90$ on a flight, see a concert and eat some pizza.

Then I can fly back home the next day and enjoy my mid tier city with my giant apartment. My mid-tier City where we have this newfangled invention called trash cans behind the apartment, unlike New York where there's no space so trash is just overflowing everywhere.

I actually tried New York for relatively short time, it's an amazing city to visit. But living there sucks. I don't want to go back, but of the way things are going, I'm probably going to end up back there or having to go to Seattle or something which I don't really want to do.

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I don't know what it's like where you are, but I'm in NYC and the thought that the city is so destitute because of WFH policies such that there must be a conspiracy to bring people back is probably the most ridiculous thing I've seen this week.

I know what I think. I also think I know what you are trying to say. That said, before I address what I think you mean, could you elaborate a little? I want to give you a chance to explain your point further.

I think my point is perfectly clear, I'm not sure what trouble you have discerning my meaning and do feel free to ask any questions if so. Nobody else has expressed any shortcomings in understanding my point so I'm not sure what would need elaborating anyway.

Also, I'm glad for you that you know what you think. Thanks for sharing that!

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I dislike RTO for one simple reason . I'm not at work to make friends, I'm not at work to chit chat. I'm not at work so we can talk about who won the last football game . I go to work in exchange for currency, which is required to acquire goods and services. All this other crap, all these holiday parties, all of this let's dance in diversity videos, no that's not what I'm here for . Most of the time coming to the off…

> If you can't get your job done remotely, what's the stop you from also slacking off in the office. I find slacking off in the office so much easier than slacking off at home, mainly because people (like CEOs of companies with RTO mandates) automatically assume people in the office == people being productive. You could leave your seat and go to a meeting room, and people won't know if you are having a genuine meetin…

> I find slacking off in the office so much easier than slacking off at home

1999 had it nailed https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=veoXCgwyZq8

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