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Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by CivBase »

ks2048 wrote: post #192

This is maybe a dumb question, but why is it so hard to buy Nvidia GPUs? I can understand lack of supply, but why can't I go on nvidia.com and buy something the same way I go on apple.com and buy hardware? I'm looking for GPUs and navigating all these different resellers with wildly different prices and confusing names (on top of the already confusing set of available cards).

I've always assumed their add-in board (AIB) partners (like MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte, etc) are able to produce PCBs and other components at higher volumes and lower costs than NVIDIA.

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Post by santoshalper »

ks2048 wrote: post #199
datadrivenangel wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nvidia uses resellers as distributors. Helps build out a locked in ecosystem.

How does that help "build out a locked in ecosystem"? Again, comparing to Apple: they have a very locked-in ecosystem.

Nvidia probably could sell cards directly now, given the strength of their reputation (and the reality backing it up) for graphics, crypto, and AI. However, they grew up as a company that sold through manufacturing and channel partners and that's pretty deeply engrained in their culture. Apple is unusually obsessed with integration, most companies are more like Nvidia.

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Post by SirMaster »

doix wrote: post #209
ks2048 wrote: post #192

This is maybe a dumb question, but why is it so hard to buy Nvidia GPUs? I can understand lack of supply, but why can't I go on nvidia.com and buy something the same way I go on apple.com and buy hardware? I'm looking for GPUs and navigating all these different resellers with wildly different prices and confusing names (on top of the already confusing set of available cards).

Nvidia (and AMD) make the "core", but they don't make a "full" graphics card. Or at least they don't mass produce them, I think Nvidia tried it with their "founders edition". It's just not their main business model, it's been that way for many many years at this point. I'm guessing business people have decided that it's not worth it. Saying that they are "resellers" isn't technically accurate. The 5080 you buy from A…

They still make reference founders editions. They sell them at Best Buy though, not directly.

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Post by bee_rider »

marxisttemp wrote: post #210
bee_rider wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m so glad I grew up in the n64/xbox era. You save so much money if you are happy at 30fps. And the games look really nice.

I wish more games had an option for N64/Xbox-level graphics to maximize frame rate. No eye candy tastes as good as 120Hz feels.

I’m sure you could do N64 style graphics at 120Hz on an iGPU with modern hardware, hahaha. I wonder if that would be a good option for competitive shooters.

I don’t really mind low frame rates, but latency is often noticeable and annoying. I often wonder if high frame rates are papering over some latency problems in modern engines. Buffering frames or something like that.

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Post by infecto »

SirMaster wrote: post #213
doix wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nvidia (and AMD) make the "core", but they don't make a "full" graphics card. Or at least they don't mass produce them, I think Nvidia tried it with their "founders edition". It's just not their main business model, it's been that way for many many years at this point. I'm guessing business people have decided that it's not worth it. Saying that they are "resellers" isn't technically accurate. The 5080 you buy from A…

They still make reference founders editions. They sell them at Best Buy though, not directly.

Reference cards make up the vast minority of cards for a specific generation though. I looked for numbers and could not find them but they tend to be the Goldilocks of cards if you can grab one because they sell at msrp IIRC.

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Post by zitterbewegung »

ks2048 wrote: post #192

This is maybe a dumb question, but why is it so hard to buy Nvidia GPUs? I can understand lack of supply, but why can't I go on nvidia.com and buy something the same way I go on apple.com and buy hardware? I'm looking for GPUs and navigating all these different resellers with wildly different prices and confusing names (on top of the already confusing set of available cards).

This is supply and demand at work. NVIDIA has to choose to either sell consumer or high end and they can reserve so much resources from TSMC. Also, Apple has outsold hardware before or it has high demand when it releases but for NVIDIA they have nearly constant purchases throughout the year from enterprise and also during consumer product launches.

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Post by sigmoid10 »

doix wrote: post #209
ks2048 wrote: post #192

This is maybe a dumb question, but why is it so hard to buy Nvidia GPUs? I can understand lack of supply, but why can't I go on nvidia.com and buy something the same way I go on apple.com and buy hardware? I'm looking for GPUs and navigating all these different resellers with wildly different prices and confusing names (on top of the already confusing set of available cards).

Nvidia (and AMD) make the "core", but they don't make a "full" graphics card. Or at least they don't mass produce them, I think Nvidia tried it with their "founders edition". It's just not their main business model, it's been that way for many many years at this point. I'm guessing business people have decided that it's not worth it. Saying that they are "resellers" isn't technically accurate. The 5080 you buy from A…

Nvidia also doesn't make the "core" (i.e. the actual chip). TSMC and Samsung make those. Nvidia designs the chip and (usually) creates a reference PCB to show how to make an actual working GPU using that chip you got from e.g. TSMC. Sometimes (especially in more recent years) they also sell that design as "founders" edition. But they don't sell most of their hardware directly to average consumers. Of course they also provide drivers to interface with their chips and tons of libraries for parallel computing that makes the most of their design.

Most people don't realize that Nvidia is much more of a software company than a hardware company. CUDA in particular is like 90% of the reason why they are where they are while AMD and Intel struggle to keep up.

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Post by jmuguy »

geertj wrote: post #173

Any advice on how to buy the founders edition when it launches, possibly from folks who bought the 4090 FE last time around? I have a feeling there will be a lot of demand.

Do you live somewhat near a Microcenter? They'll likely have these as in-store pick up only, no online reservations, 1 per customer. Recently got a 9800X3D CPU from them, its nice they're trying to prevent scalping.

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Post by thefz »

alkonaut wrote: post #136
thefz wrote: post #128

> GeForce RTX 5070 Ti: 2X Faster Than The GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 2x faster in DLSS . If we look at the 1:1 resolution performance, the increase is likely 1.2x.

That's what I'm wondering. What's the actual raw render/compute difference in performance, if we take a game that predates DLSS?

We shall wait for real world benchmarks to address the raster performance increase.

The bold claim "5070 is like a 4090 at 549$" is quite different if we factor in that it's basically in DLSS only.

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