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Post by maxwellg »

what wrote: post #185
maxwellg wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I provided a list of the biggest ticket items from the past few years. If you want to only look at projects that increase transit availability, reliability, or speed within SF County, check out the Muni Forward projects. Usually half a dozen lines are prioritized each year. https://www.sfmta.com/projects/muni-forward I live in the Richmond, so I've been positively affected by the improvements to the 38/38R (although…

What actually improved about the 38? They moved the stops to the other side of the intersection, which saves maybe 1 minute along the entire route.

- Stops moved to be after the light, so bus isn't stuck waiting after people board

- Stops moving after the light mean Transit Signal Priority works better. GPS on the bus can "hold" the green light for longer - https://www.sfmta.com/blog/green-lights-muni

- Red painted lanes decrease private car use in bus lane, so bus can go faster

- Speeding fell by 80%, so fewer accidents mean transit is more reliable

There have been a few different projects on different sections of Geary over the years. The bus now runs 10-20% faster depending on direction and variability decreased by 25-40%.

Check out pages 15-19 of https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-docume...

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Post by afavour »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #166
nfRfqX5n wrote: post #52

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Problem is, none of the money from congestion pricing is shared with NJ transit/infra

NJ needs to stop its commuter residents paying NY income tax, particularly those doing WFH more than half the year. They can boost NJT with that pile of money.

> They can boost NJT with that pile of money.

NJ has had many opportunities to do so over the years and consistently chooses not to.

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Post by doctorpangloss »

taatof wrote: post #53
maxwellg wrote: post #11

I'm incredibly hopeful that NYC congestion pricing pays off in a big way - and that we start to see it in other cities across America. I really, really want congestion pricing in downtown SF. During rush hour, cars block the box and slow down busses, with cascading effects.

How do we get around? To get downtown I have to take two busses and then bart (or two busses but it takes longer because there are a lot more stops). The kicker: I'm not even in a suburb, I live in SF! All we do in SF is make car driving worse, we almost never make public transit better. At least NYC has a plenty good enough train system. I end up WFH anyway, largely because it's annoying to get to an office downtown…

Here in San Francisco? On my insured Stromers, with my family, that I bought for less than the cost of a year of auto insurance. Door to door, I am everywhere I want to be in about 10m. My longest typical journey is 45m across Golden Gate Bridge from the Mission, which is faster than any car, simply because I park my bike at the door of my destinations.

The better question is, have you ever seen a kid crying in the back of a bike?

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Post by Analemma_ »

donmcronald wrote: post #203
pixelatedindex wrote: post #189

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Look at the carpool lanes in the Bay Area. It’s as much as $9 for a couple of miles around the Palo Alto / Atherton area and there’s no lack of cars. Then there’s like another $5 or something between that area and Santa Clara. Maybe it will work in NYC, but in the Bay Area I can’t help but feel like it’s a regressive tax because people who already have the money will continue their ways and pay but people who are on…

> I can’t help but feel like it’s a regressive tax That’s exactly what it is. The richer you are, the better it is. Now people on a budget will pay taxes to subsidize infrastructure that’s only accessible to the wealthy. It’s a massive scam perpetrated by the rich for the rich. Why stop with roads? Why not have congestion pricing for schools or hospitals or access to water? That way we only have to build enough infra…

> Now people on a budget will pay taxes to subsidize infrastructure that’s only accessible to the wealthy. It’s a massive scam perpetrated by the rich for the rich.

Huh? The revenue from congestion pricing is used to pay for public transit. The rich people pay extra to subsidize transit for everyone else, which is exactly how things should work.

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Post by nayuki »

fragmede wrote: post #142
Niksko wrote: post #130

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And if you look to places like Meixco City and Bogota, their bus rapid transit is very fast and efficient. But good luck taking away a single lane of traffic for dedicated bus services anywhere in the US.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/MrLLq1V4acKnG3RVA This road right here in a west coast US city used to be four lanes of car traffic (two in each direction), but two (one in each direction) were taken out and dedicated for bus service.

According to Google street view, the road had 3 general car lanes per direction up to and including Nov 2016.

Shortly after, the middle lane of each direction became a bus-only lane, but this was implemented with temporary road modifications. (So each direction has 1 bus lane and 2 car lanes.) The middle part of the road was rebuilt from 2019 to 2020, making this feature permanent.

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Post by tshaddox »

cj wrote: post #173
tshaddox wrote: post #87

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Congestion pricing makes driving better, not worse.

Of course it does, if you remove price from the equation!

Sure, but that’s a dismissive interpretation.

It’s a bit like saying “sure, a cinema that refuses to sell more tickets than it has seats leads to a better cinema viewing experience, but only if you remove price from the equation!”

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Post by oefrha »

SoftTalker wrote: post #116
whimsicalism wrote: post #105

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what unintended consequences?

$500 is just dinner for some people in SF. Or maybe people will drive at 99 mph to get the best value.

Speeding also carries point penalties. Get caught a few times and your license is suspended. You can’t just pay to speed indefinitely (unless you also buy something like a get out of jail free card from the police union).

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Post by CalRobert »

taatof wrote: post #53
maxwellg wrote: post #11

I'm incredibly hopeful that NYC congestion pricing pays off in a big way - and that we start to see it in other cities across America. I really, really want congestion pricing in downtown SF. During rush hour, cars block the box and slow down busses, with cascading effects.

How do we get around? To get downtown I have to take two busses and then bart (or two busses but it takes longer because there are a lot more stops). The kicker: I'm not even in a suburb, I live in SF! All we do in SF is make car driving worse, we almost never make public transit better. At least NYC has a plenty good enough train system. I end up WFH anyway, largely because it's annoying to get to an office downtown…

For what it’s worth a folding bike and BART is a great combo

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Post by CalRobert »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #213
taatof wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do we get around? To get downtown I have to take two busses and then bart (or two busses but it takes longer because there are a lot more stops). The kicker: I'm not even in a suburb, I live in SF! All we do in SF is make car driving worse, we almost never make public transit better. At least NYC has a plenty good enough train system. I end up WFH anyway, largely because it's annoying to get to an office downtown…

Here in San Francisco? On my insured Stromers, with my family, that I bought for less than the cost of a year of auto insurance. Door to door, I am everywhere I want to be in about 10m. My longest typical journey is 45m across Golden Gate Bridge from the Mission, which is faster than any car, simply because I park my bike at the door of my destinations. The better question is, have you ever seen a kid crying in the b…

Hear hear! Though I admit my own kid has cried once or twice in the front of an urban arrow, toddler rage is a powerful thing….

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Post by coding123 »

occz wrote: post #136
paxys wrote: post #29

While I'm sure congestion pricing will have a positive impact on traffic, I'd wait a little while longer to draw any conclusions, considering (1) the data is from a single day (2) lots of people aren't back from holiday travel and (3) there's a winter storm across the country and a decent amount of snow fell in Jersey/New York today, discouraging driving.

You can already extrapolate from the results from other cities who have implemented the policy, where it has been wildly successful at reducing congestion.

... for rich people.
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