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Re: Perplexity got ads

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Post by chgs »

mojo74 wrote: post #195
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #40

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What could make a streaming service "decent" ?

I don't know where you're based but I would offer the BBC TV - take your pick of classic shows. Radio - 6 music for me. Education - provides resources for all school key stages in line with the UK curriculum. Sports - a bit sporadic but you can get everything except baseball at some point in the year. Arts - broadcasts the Glastonbury festival. Live shows you can attend and be in the audience. All for £170 a year and…

only £170 because of the scale, it has 30 million subscribers paying £15 a month. Reduce those numbers and it’s a death spiral.

It won’t last much longer, the fee itself has collapsed in real terms - 15 years ago it was 40% higher than today, the political pressure to remove it has never been higher, I’m expecting Musk to start attacking it more overtly soon.

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Post by Destiner »

perplexity is a great product, but it's a feature, not the app.

they are in the middle — not really a lab, not really a consumer product.

i expect them to get acquired in the next year or so.

Re: Perplexity got ads

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Post by chgs »

Modified3019 wrote: post #121
jsheard wrote: post #5

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True! More money means more taxes though, they should consider using Intuit™ TurboTax™ to make them easy! (disclaimer: responses may include paid product placement)

This inspired some consideration of what it would be like if there ad companies that somehow found it viable to pay consumers to inject advertisements in all their interactions with businesses, such that support would start having to implement ad blocking. What a fever dream.

Add in dreams? Sounds a reasonable next step.

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Post by elorant »

pembrook wrote: post #123

Big surprise. It’s almost as if internet 1.0 shook out the way it did for a reason, and for all the complaining about ads, fast forward 25 years and consumers still fundamentally refuse to pay for search. It’s the same reason the phone book was also free and ad supported pre-internet. I don’t know why we can’t accept this reality and why we need to masochistically flog ourselves every time this is proven true over an…

You're oversimplifying the narrative. It's not ads per se that bother. It's the tracking part. Make ads contextual like they used to be and there's no problem at all, actually they might turn to be interesting. Keep tracking me all over the web and you grow the desire in me to block the living shit out of everything.

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Post by vanviegen »

marcosdumay wrote: post #145
KMnO4 wrote: post #127

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What's up with every AI company having a $0 plan and a $20 plan? I would pay for a lot more of these tools if they were $5 (obviously with less capability than a $20 plan), but I don't use any one enough to justify nearly $300/year (post tax).

That's because payment processing and customer support take almost all of the $5, if not more than it.

Isn't payment processing just single digit percents? And customer support... What's that?

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Post by stavros »

wrasee wrote: post #173
chrisweekly wrote: post #133

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Yet Kagi is doing well, and I'm very happy to pay a few bucks a month to be their customer instead of their product.

Genuinely interested. So I went to their site and I have to say it's quite refreshing. But then - a few bucks a month turns out to be $5/month, and that comes with a limit of 300 searches/month. That's an average of just 10 a day and while in practice I probably wouldn't actually hit that limit it's uncomfortably low enough that the added fiction of each search having a tangible cost is just a non-starter. I can't he…

I run out of the 300 searches/mo in around ten days. Everyone raves about Kagi but I've paid for it around three times now, and it's never been better enough than DDG to justify the $10/mo for me...

Re: Perplexity got ads

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Post by chgs »

nunez wrote: post #105
TZubiri wrote: post #90

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I want the power of the techno gods for free, but I also don't want ads. Is that so hard to get?

Nope It's like credit cards. It's amazing benefits wouldn't exist without leagues of people chronically keeping a balance against near-usury levels of interest in some cases, but, fortunately, the set of people that use them correctly is much much smaller. Most people irl don't give a shit about ads. Evidence A: NFL and soccer growing in popularity every year despite 90 sec of ads every 5-10 minutes. Evidence B: Netf…

My understanding is that American football and other American games are built around tv adverts

How does normal football allow for tv adverts? (Other than half time)

Re: Perplexity got ads

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Post by chgs »

pyth0 wrote: post #119
sandspar wrote: post #108

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Ads haven't always existed. Economies without them can exist and we can move toward one.

Can you explain how a service like YouTube could exist any other way? > Economies without them can exist We should be able to both hate ads and understand that they are a necessary monetization model for certain things. If you feel strongly that they aren't necessary what model should be used instead?

what adverts does YouTube have?

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Post by bdangubic »

chgs wrote: post #218
nunez wrote: post #105

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Nope It's like credit cards. It's amazing benefits wouldn't exist without leagues of people chronically keeping a balance against near-usury levels of interest in some cases, but, fortunately, the set of people that use them correctly is much much smaller. Most people irl don't give a shit about ads. Evidence A: NFL and soccer growing in popularity every year despite 90 sec of ads every 5-10 minutes. Evidence B: Netf…

My understanding is that American football and other American games are built around tv adverts How does normal football allow for tv adverts? (Other than half time)

it doesn’t :)
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