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Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by thenaturalist »

skissane wrote: post #179
BJones12 wrote: post #8

> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

I think there is a real difference between immigration to Canada and immigration to Europe. Canada's immigration policy is on the whole highly selective, focused on skilled immigrants. The largest category of immigrants is professionals. Immigration laws are enforced and illegal immigration is relatively low. Refugees are admitted, but the government retains control over the numbers, the source countries, which indiv…

You're right on the money imo and the author clearly shows a lack of understanding of systems thinking.

He takes a simple observation and generalizes it instead of working backwards to the fact that Canada is just like the US geographically highly isolated with giant oceans on each side whereas Germany and Europe are a landmass directly connected to other continents.

I highly recommend the books "Prisoners of Geography" (1/2) for anyone interested in realizing how geography silently shapes politics.

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Post by sn0wf1re »

titanomachy wrote: post #182
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who’s Justine?

Justin Trudeau, maybe the "e" was an accident. He's about to receive a no-confidence vote from the opposition parties in parliament, which will force an election.

"Justine" is what some people who disapprove of him are calling him. It's a mocking conspiracy theory that JT's wife left him due to him being transexual.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by transcriptase »

skissane wrote: post #179
BJones12 wrote: post #8

> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

I think there is a real difference between immigration to Canada and immigration to Europe. Canada's immigration policy is on the whole highly selective, focused on skilled immigrants. The largest category of immigrants is professionals. Immigration laws are enforced and illegal immigration is relatively low. Refugees are admitted, but the government retains control over the numbers, the source countries, which indiv…

> Canada's immigration policy is on the whole highly selective, focused on skilled immigrants

Was. At present nearly every min wage and gig economy position in the country is 99% early 20s males from India taking advantage of being able to enrol in a diploma mill to qualify for PR. The Feds knew of this shady pipeline for years and did nothing because it juiced GDP numbers that otherwise would have revealed a recession.

Even once reputable colleges/universities couldn’t resist starting part-time no-show “hospitality” programs with 0 work and 100% pass rate to siphon tuition as the table stakes for being able to circumvent other immigration streams.

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

titanomachy wrote: post #175
BJones12 wrote: post #8

> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

You're right. I don't live in Canada anymore, but even my moderate and liberal friends in Canada regularly complain about immigrants. That sentiment feels very new to me, though. I think Canada did have a positive view of immigrants for a long time.

That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.

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Post by [deleted] »

gedy wrote: post #200
skissane wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there is a real difference between immigration to Canada and immigration to Europe. Canada's immigration policy is on the whole highly selective, focused on skilled immigrants. The largest category of immigrants is professionals. Immigration laws are enforced and illegal immigration is relatively low. Refugees are admitted, but the government retains control over the numbers, the source countries, which indiv…

> But the majority of immigrants to Canada are well-off, educated – so unlikely to get involved in social problems like crime or terrorism, and they tend to integrate well with mainstream society. This seems to be very out of sync with the opinions of the Canadians I know, and the recent public issues with heavy immigration of unskilled males from the Punjab.

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by varispeed »

BJones12 wrote: post #8

> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

I don't believe the concerns about mass immigration are inherently rooted in racism. Instead, labelling such concerns as racist often serves as a way to silence or delegitimise the valid grievances of the working class. When people raise issues about the effects of immigration policies - such as increased competition for housing or jobs - they are often dismissed by those who benefit from these policies, such as large corporations seeking cheaper labour. This tactic has been used in many countries, framing opposition as prejudice to avoid addressing the broader economic and social consequences.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

valunord wrote: post #186
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #169

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Right, so some more manifest destiny junk. The people of Denmark and Canada don't want to be part of the US. How about that?

I get the hesitation. 'Manifest destiny' doesn’t exactly have the best branding. But this isn’t about expansionism or flag-planting; it’s more like making sure the neighborhood’s in order before someone else moves in and rearranges the furniture. Greenland’s interest (if it ever happens) wouldn’t come from the US kicking down the door, but from their own evolving relationship with Denmark. If anything, the US would p…

Lol, no dude, it's not "hestitation"

It's "get my country's name out of your mouth" material.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by skissane »

transcriptase wrote: post #213
skissane wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there is a real difference between immigration to Canada and immigration to Europe. Canada's immigration policy is on the whole highly selective, focused on skilled immigrants. The largest category of immigrants is professionals. Immigration laws are enforced and illegal immigration is relatively low. Refugees are admitted, but the government retains control over the numbers, the source countries, which indiv…

> Canada's immigration policy is on the whole highly selective, focused on skilled immigrants Was. At present nearly every min wage and gig economy position in the country is 99% early 20s males from India taking advantage of being able to enrol in a diploma mill to qualify for PR. The Feds knew of this shady pipeline for years and did nothing because it juiced GDP numbers that otherwise would have revealed a recessi…

> At present nearly every min wage and gig economy position in the country is 99% early 20s males from India taking advantage of being able to enrol in a diploma mill to qualify for PR. The Feds knew of this shady pipeline for years and did nothing because it juiced GDP numbers that otherwise would have revealed a recession.

Australia has had the same problem and in the last few years the Australian government has cracked down heavily on education visas, diploma mills, etc. If Trudeau isn't doing it already, I expect Poilievre will. Which means this may turn out to be more of a passing problem.

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Post by m_fayer »

ipaddr wrote: post #180
threeseed wrote: post #151

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> Young Canadians doubly so Similar situation in Australia and US. And most of it misplaced. One major issue is trying to buy a first home where the blame goes towards immigrants. Instead of towards older generations where the problem really lies. They apply political power across multiple levels of government to affect everything from planning, taxation, inheritance which systemically prevent young people getting in…

Inheritance goes to young people in the same family. I doubt that is holding back the young people who get it. Immigration keeps salaries low which is great for companies bad for young people. Immigrants of a similar age want the same type of housing. Young people starting out cannot afford their parents home. They compete for the same resources. Older generations are least affected.

Inheritance is diminishing, boomers are living longer and elder care is hugely expensive, chances are that’s where the inheritance will go.
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