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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by NewJazz »

SoftTalker wrote: post #39
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

I think it's more simply that the market of people who want an EV and can afford a Tesla is now saturated.

1. The electric car market grew in 2024 in the US.

2. Tesla is one of the more affordable electric cars.

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Post by davesque »

SoftTalker wrote: post #39
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

I think it's more simply that the market of people who want an EV and can afford a Tesla is now saturated.

I want an EV and can afford a Tesla and I will never buy anything from Elon Musk as long as I live exactly because of his behavior.

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tnaxer wrote: post #116
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

After criticizing Israel he was "invited" over there, was completely deferential and wore the symbol of the Israel army in interview. Sorry, a real antisemite wouldn't do that. What likely happened is that his comments were taken out of context and deliberately misinterpreted by the "left" (i.e., corporate and establishment friendly) media.

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by lotsofpulp »

fckgw wrote: post #33
sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

I just think they're bad cars. The "minimalist interior" is just a way to cheap out on features and they're not built that great. Hyundai or Rivian have some great EV offerings for same price or cheaper.

Hyundai does not have the track record Tesla does. The best part about Tesla is the buying experience. While Musk's personal conduct is less than desirable, doing business with a dealership affects me far more.

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Post by NewJazz »

cchance wrote: post #51
babyent wrote: post #35

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Lucid Air is quite a nice car. My next EV will be a Lucid if I choose to start driving again.

Too expensive, thats the big issue, EV's that are decent outside of tesla are just so fuckin expensive, or from legacy automakers that seem to just want to shove a EV engine in a shitty old design

Eh, IMHO both Hyundai and GM have really tried with their latest platforms to make a range of quality EVs.

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Post by NewJazz »

orourkek wrote: post #73
fckgw wrote: post #33

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I just think they're bad cars. The "minimalist interior" is just a way to cheap out on features and they're not built that great. Hyundai or Rivian have some great EV offerings for same price or cheaper.

Hyundai might have some great EV offerings that are cheaper, but Rivian does not have anything even close in terms of price, unless you only consider Plaid models. You can get a used model 3 for $20k now, which is good value if you put aside politics & CEO.

Rivian and Tesla's trucks are pretty similarly priced, no?

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Post by davesque »

sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

I'm not just trolling when I say, is that a serious question? Like, really. How could you live in this day and age and legitimately wonder why many people on HN wouldn't like Tesla?

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Post by mads »

throw49123 wrote: post #178
mads wrote: post #159

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No, from apparently RT owned AP news: https://apnews.com/article/europe-butter-prices-40fe30965677... "Across the 27-member European Union, the price of butter rose 19% on average from October 2023 to October 2024, including by 49% in Slovakia, and 40% in Germany and the Czech Republic, according to figures provided to The Associated Press by the EU’s executive arm. Reports from individual countries indicate the cost…

"price of butter"

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Post by orwin »

paulddraper wrote: post #209
orwin wrote: post #118

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You have almost no far left in the US. You have extreme ID politics (that are distributed on the far right, the right, the "extreme center" and socdems) and a bastardized radical center[0] that include almost every politicians, even those who appear socdems or far-right. And here i'm using far-right to designate people who want to come back on minority rights, and i separate it from the right. (Because when supposed…

> You have almost no far left in the US. Overton window. Obviously "left" vs "right" depends on the geography and time period. Otherwise, it becomes very hard to talk about politics.

Not really, historically far-left is the revolutionary left, the one you see organize global strikes (they don't believe in representation democracy, only in direct democracy, bottom up, so it is _very_ rare to see them participate in elections). Since global strikes are forbidden in the US, you'll have to define it by its negative: anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist always, anti-globalist sometime.

You have some groups who have a far-left affects in the US, but honestly since the BPP and the Rainbow Coalition they are either ideologically weak or ineffective.

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Post by SoftTalker »

floxy wrote: post #160
SoftTalker wrote: post #155

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I should probably sit down and do the math on elecricity vs. gas and the payback time, but for reference I am something of a bottom-feeder when it comes to cars. I have pretty good success with used ICE cars in the $4-6k range. I look for southern cars with no rust/salt damage. They are out there, but you won't find them on Carvana. My current daily driver is a 20 year old Mercedes E class that I bought for $4k. It's…

Charging efficiency is ~85% efficient. As far as I can tell, when it comes to used cars in my area, $10k is the new $4k. No way would I buy a $4k car any more, and I'm in the market for a beater for a kid's car. $4,000 buys a 2003 Toyota Corolla with 250,000 miles and 9 previous owners and some moderate damage according to CarFax.

You have to look around but better cars are out there. I bought a '04 Mercedes E500 for $4k about 2 years ago. Had about 160k miles, no rust. Was it perfect, certainly not. Had some wear and tear but fundamentally was a solid car. I still see them in this price range today.

I totally get that someone might not want to deal with the unknowns and risks of a 20 year old car.

Good to know that the charging efficiency is better than I guessed. I'll have to run the numbers again next time I'm needing a car. EVs have an appeal, no doubt. But for me they have to make economic and practical sense.

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