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I keep turning my Google Sheets into phone-friendly webapps

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Post by lupire »

do_not_redeem wrote: post #45
edoceo wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the Tables page: Important update: The Beta program is now closed Tables is no longer accepting new users for its Beta program

Also, > Table’s features and capabilities are now integrated into AppSheet, our no-code platform that blah blah blah Seems like a usual Google product in that if you use it, you'll be forced to migrate all your data/workflows to some shiny new thing every few years.

Tables was never a supported Google product. It was an Area 120 experimental prototype. By design, Area 120 prototypes either get shut down or get merged into real products.

AppMaker was Google's AppSheet competitor that was shut down after a few years.

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Post by deepspace »

My experience with no-code or low-code products (like Glide, but I have not tried Glide yet), is that they are fine and dandy when you have a single table or sheet.

But as soon as you have to source data from multiple tables 9or sheets), they all fall down, or become exponentially more difficult to use. I do not know what it is about splitting your data (even if everything is indexed against a common id), that makes the complexity go up so much. If someone can make an easy-to-use app to deal with this situation, I would potentially throw a lot of money at it.

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Post by fsckboy »

dragonwriter wrote: post #206
sneak wrote: post #193

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Apple’s own transparency report indicates they turn over data to the USG for over 100,000 different apple IDs each year in the no-warrant-or-probable-cause (FISA orders and NSLs) category. (Mind you; this includes device location histories due to geoip logs, unique identifiers, iMessage histories, photos, documents, everything.) The cases they are allowed to tell you about aren’t in this category. They aren’t even al…

> Apple’s own transparency report indicates they turn over data to the USG for over 100,000 different apple IDs each year in the no-warrant-or-probable-cause (FISA orders and NSLs) category. FISA “orders” are warrants and have the same requirement for probable cause as any search or seizure warrant (they aren't criminal warrants so the probable cause is not of there being evidence of a crime, but of the target being…

FISA warrants do not have the check and balance safeguards that other warrants have, and the system for getting FISA warrants has been extensively and egregiously abused

>they are subject to precompliance challenge

and it's weird you go to the trouble to mention this but slough over the problems with FISA warrants. You are not arguing honestly here.

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Post by asveikau »

homebrewer wrote: post #117
smusamashah wrote: post #94

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Monzo (online bank in UK) let you see all your transactions in a Google sheet (with some caveats e.g. interest earned is skipped). I wanted to make a total wealth chart over all years. It's so damn complicated in Google sheets. In MS Excel I could simply make a pivot chart, apply any aggregation on days/weeks and be done with it. But with Sheets I had to make a new aggregate column, filter data in another new column,…

You're fine with Google seeing complete information about your income and spending? I'm not one of those truly paranoid, but this seems like a bit too much.

I put recipes in google sheets. I hope that Google gets the ratios right on some killer ragù.

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Post by II2II »

pxeger1 wrote: post #125
homebrewer wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're fine with Google seeing complete information about your income and spending? I'm not one of those truly paranoid, but this seems like a bit too much.

What’s your risk model here? Google are not manually or automatically inspecting the contents of your spreadsheets in order to profile you and show you better-personalised ads. Not enough people have such a spreadsheet for it to be worth it for them, I’m sure - and they also probably already know approximately how wealthy you are. Unless you’re under investigation for fraud or something, I doubt the government could…

I simply want minimal exposure of my personal data since I don't want to go through life thinking about risk models. Not only is it time consuming, but my creative juices simply don't flow when it comes down to exploiting people (nor do I want them to flow in that direction).

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Post by jswny »

dvdsgl wrote: post #197
deweywsu wrote: post #182

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I second this. I'm guessing you're limiting access at a lower price point because you're worried too many business customers will opt for the lower cost plan when they should be on the higher priced one? I would pay somewhere in the neighborhood of $10/mo or so for a personal plan that had more than your free tier and less than the business one.

Yes, I’m also sad we couldn’t find a way to be affordable for everyone while also growing our business. We’ve learned that the personal/community app ‘market’ is impossible to grow upon, and that pricing for this group undercuts your pricing power with businesses.

The pricing is completely prohibitive. It’s a shame, looks cool but I’m not gonna bother with a pricing model that’s clearly telling me to go look elsewhere as a solo dev

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Post by smileybarry »

graeme wrote: post #163
smileybarry wrote: post #160

This looks great, but I got a bit of sticker shock when I saw Glide's plan to do this is $69 per month cost (billed yearly). There's a free tier, but with a 1-app limit and only Big Tables (no Google Sheets). I'd be fine with paying for personal apps, but $69/month feels a bit... steep.

It's a tool targeted at businesses. The article writer just found a use case that works for them personally.

I know, but usually a lot of these have hobbyist plans. I wouldn't mind being throttled and QoS'd behind businesses for a lower price.
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