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Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by Retric » Sat, Dec 14, 2024, 1:26 PM UTC

roenxi wrote: post #116

Retric wrote: post #103

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> It turns out to have had little in-practice effect on transmission When you look at killing thousands of people as a minor consequence you may want to rethink your priorities.

1) Little as in "0, but maybe someone wants to quibble that technically it did something so I'll hedge". As far as I can tell literally everyone I know caught COVID, so it is fair to say the vaccine had no impact on transmission. Raising the obvious question of why it matters where people caught it. 2) If catching COVID is going to kill you, by now you are dead by now. Factor in that there'd probably be between 40 an…

> 1) Little as in "0, but maybe someone wants to quibble that technically it did something so I'll hedge". As far as I can tell literally everyone I know caught COVID, so it is fair to say the vaccine had no impact on transmission. Raising the obvious question of why it matters where people caught it.

Many hospitalizations and deaths from COVID occurred on subsequent infections.

> 2) If catching COVID is going to kill you, by now you are dead by now.

False, that’s simply not how infection works.

Part of the difference here is viral load on exposure. Vaccines and masks reduced viral loads in the air, which then gave people’s immune system longer to react. The immune system takes time to ramp up, but so do infections. A larger initial exposure can snowball even in reasonably healthy individuals.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by rr808 » Sat, Dec 14, 2024, 1:29 PM UTC

remarkEon wrote: post #152

A little unrelated to this whole thing, which does hit me a bit personally since my cousin back in Iowa died of opioid-related dependency issues, but I have interviewed a lot of consultants over the years for various roles and they are without question the most consistently bad interviews. It's funny, when I was in business school years ago (please forgive me) getting a job at McKinsey or BCG was more or less the crè…

> It's funny, when I was in business school years ago (please forgive me) getting a job at McKinsey or BCG was more or less the crème de la crème of post-MBA gigs.

Still is though right? Just now you have enough experience to be wise enough to know what is important.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by jkolio » Sat, Dec 14, 2024, 1:42 PM UTC

jmcgough wrote: post #28

A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom.

It makes the incredulity over the recent unpleasantness all the more... something. What world do you have to live in NOT to see the rationale? People have set themselves on fire over causes they felt passionately about, to get essentially no attention from the media. Hurting powerful people appears to many the only remaining avenue. Even that seems less impactful than the gleeful memes that followed. The elite are having their "Okay Boomer" moment and they really don't like it.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by thechao » Sat, Dec 14, 2024, 1:46 PM UTC

dmd wrote: post #208

beepboopboop wrote: post #207

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> and my pockets Do they give money out at these lunches??

No I mean I literally stuffed my coat pockets with food! Sandwiches, fruit, cheese especially.

Oral defense season was always a good way to get ahead, financially. You do get sick of pizza, though.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by mschuster91 » Sat, Dec 14, 2024, 1:47 PM UTC

jmcgough wrote: post #28

A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom.

On the other hand a lot of drug abuse among the homeless is self-medication because of the stress associated with living on the streets or due to untreated mental health issues.

As long as housing and mental health remains an open issue, personally I'd rather have them consume stuff made by an actual pharmaceutical company at pharmaceutical grade instead of completely unregulated dark market stuff that can have absolutely wild (and deadly!) swings in dosage, even from the same batch.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by jkolio » Sat, Dec 14, 2024, 1:47 PM UTC

grues-dinner wrote: post #201

fakedang wrote: post #108

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> lot of ppl on the left mad at billionaires too Seems the left were always in favor of Luigi. I'm more surprised by the right in the US. The days just after the shooting, they were all in favor too, but after their media pundits took an opposing stance, they joined the bandwagon and are now ranting about "muh poor CEO". Bunch of sheep I suppose.

The period when people have their own reactions, followed by a sudden reset and synchronisation once the taking points get assembled and is really quite fascinating. I would really love to know how centralised the process of defining talking points is, or if it is, itself, emergent behaviour of a distributed system resulting in coherent outcomes.

Yeah, it doesn't have to be centralized. I watched aghast at the narrative building around the Trayvon Martin murder in real-time across Reddit and The Website Which Shall Not Be Named. No one was giving marching orders; it was just a milieu of people throwing out ideas and the most convenient ones propagating outward. "He was slamming his head against the concrete," etc. (How could you possibly know? The word of the accused?)

Look, we're doing it now.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by soysandwhich » Sat, Dec 14, 2024, 1:52 PM UTC

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Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by Jgrubb » Sat, Dec 14, 2024, 1:57 PM UTC

DAGdug wrote: post #34

swasheck wrote: post #18

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yep. would rather it be a multiple of revenues from their role instead of a percentage.

Not to be pedantic, but percentages can exceed 100.

Own your pedantry, comrade. Be neither bashful nor apologetic.

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Post by snozolli » Sat, Dec 14, 2024, 1:58 PM UTC

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #176

wesselbindt wrote: post #172

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Because of more money

Money alone won't buy your entry inside the elite circles of the people with real influence. Joe Biden just pardoned his son from crimes that would have gotten you and me in jail already. Similarly, your Clintons, Bushs, Blairs, Bidens, Trumps, none of them or their friends and family will ever see a day in jail no matter their crimes. That's influence money alone can't buy. Those are the 1% of the 1%. They can kill…

Joe Biden just pardoned his son from crimes that would have gotten you and me in jail already.

The only crime there is evidence he committed is never prosecuted against regular people, so it's the exact opposite of what you claim.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by jkolio » Sat, Dec 14, 2024, 1:58 PM UTC

theoreticalmal wrote: post #166

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Come on dude

It's a fair comparison. Daniel Penney too. The main difference between the four parties is who killed people who'd killed others, and who killed people who hadn't actually done anything.