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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by notahacker »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #126
sidewndr46 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like the National Assembly just needs to meet & vote to counter this?

> sounds like the National Assembly just needs to meet & vote to counter this If the President is accusing "the country’s opposition of controlling the parliament, sympathizing with North Korea and paralyzing the government with anti-state activities," that vote will take place without the opposition. (It's mindblowing they left this in their Constitution after the 80s.)

The leader of his own party reportedly called it unconstitutional and vowed to stop it, so I don't think his route to rigging a Parliamentary vote in his favour is an easy one.

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Post by anon291 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #125
ninalanyon wrote: post #117

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> Is that really as true as it used to be since COVID? A number of governments enacted quite astonishingly repressive measures Zero countries in the West enacted anything resembling martial law. The only freedoms abridged were those of movement and assembly, and even then the penalty was being shut down or ticketed, rarely jail, never summary execution.

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Post by meepmorp »

wesselbindt wrote: post #127

The reason given is to root out pro-North Korean elements. How is red scare stuff still a thing?

SK has been at war with a hostile, communist neighbor for about 75 years.

It's not really "red scare stuff."

Edit: I'm not sure what I was getting at, so ignore me

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Post by yyuugg »

fazeirony wrote: post #108
aurareturn wrote: post #67

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Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Who is that virtual enemy for the US?

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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by [deleted] »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #114
bhouston wrote: post #29

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This is just domestic politics, not related to international events as far as I can tell. Even the North Korea sympathizer line from the President seems forced.

> This is just domestic politics, not related to international events as far as I can tell Korea is the largest shipbuilder in America's system of alliances [1]. Seoul would be critical in a war in the Pacific [2]. Korea flipping from democracy to conservative autocracy has geopolitical implications. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_shipbuildi... [2] https://www.voanews.com/a/us-navy-looking-to-s…

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Post by yyuugg »

rascul wrote: post #133
aurareturn wrote: post #67

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Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Who is that virtual enemy for the US?

Terrorists

But also, "Terrorists". The label the state will apply to anything they dislike. See organizations like Food Not Bombs being called terrorists in Florida for handing out free food.

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Post by rvz »

cassepipe wrote: post #42
rvz wrote: post #31

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Post by bananapub »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #120
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #107

Article 77 of the Korean Constitution: "1. When it is required to cope with a military necessity or to maintain the public safety and order by mobilization of the military forces in time of war, armed conict or similar national emergency, the President may proclaim martial law as prescribed by law. 2. Martial law shall be of two types, extraordinary martial law and precautionary martial law. 3. Under extraordinary ma…

It sounds like the National Assembly just needs to meet & vote to counter this?

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241203-south-korea-p...

> The entrance to the National Assembly has been sealed, and MPs have been barred from entering the building, according to Yonhap.

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Post by cess11 »

kozikow wrote: post #95
bloomingkales wrote: post #32

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Up there with gravity and shit. I wish we could do something with this information, but alas, knowledge isnt power. Cersei Lannister: Power is power.

> Cersei Lannister: Power is power. Knowledge is a necessary, but not sufficient component of power Or in other words observability is a necessary, but not sufficient component of optimization.

Power determines what knowledge is possible.

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Post by sitkack »

chaoskanzlerin wrote: post #7
timcobb wrote: post #5

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Please elaborate for those without context. Would be much appreciated.

a quick internet search reveals this refers to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangju_Uprising

> The Gwangju Uprising, known in Korean as May 18 (Korean: 오일팔; Hanja: 五一八; RR: Oilpal; lit. Five One Eight), were student-led demonstrations that took place in Gwangju, South Korea, in May 1980, against the dictatorship of Chun Doo-hwan. The uprising was violently suppressed by the South Korean military with the approval and logistical support of the United States under the Carter administration, which feared the uprising might spread to other cities and tempt North Korea to interfere.
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