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Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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Feels like wherever you turn, you see a high-trust society disintegrating into a low-trust one.

We used to sell _literal_ "snake oil" as a curative. What you may actually be witnessing is a low awareness society turn into a high awareness one. What is being highlighted is you never should have had that trust in the first place.

And the funny thing is that the actual (or of you prefer, literal) snake oil, from Chinese water snakes, likely had at least some therapeutic properties. But much of what was sold as snake oil was itself adulterated (other animal oils, vegetable oils, or quite often, petroleum-based oil).

Actual snake oil in the 1800s came from Chinese water snakes, and Chinese laborers who immigrated to the U.S. shared it with fellow workers as they helped build the transcontinental railroad. This type of snake oil, Pedersen says, was indeed an effective anti-inflammatory.... Enter the mysterious Clark Stanley in 1893.... Standing on stage in front of a growing crowd, Stanley pulled a rattlesnake out of a sack resting near his feet. In dramatic fashion, he slit the rattlesnake open with a knife, placed the snake in a vat of boiling water, and watched as its fat rose to the surface. Stanley sold his product, dubbed “Clark Stanley’s Snake Oil Liniment,” in liniment jars, boasting about its healing powers. Of course, Stanley’s snake oil was a marketing gimmick from the very start.

Stanley's oil's actual ingredients: "mineral oil, beef fat, red pepper and turpentine". (Above article).

His and others' deceptive practices lead to the passage of the Pure Food and Drug Act in 1906.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/how-snake-oil-beca...>

Wikpedia has more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil>

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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That's a link to this discussion.

Gah - didn't spot that - this was originally posted 7 days ago, but seems to have been refreshed by dang - if you search 'honey' you'll see it was originally a thread 7 days ago , and note that some of the comments here are multidays old.

Various mod intercession can cause old submissions to be re-upped. Usually that's through the Second Chance Pool, though this submission doesn't seem to have gone that route.

https://news.ycombinator.com/pool>

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Wait til you hear about maple syrup... That aside, yeah, this is a real problem with honey (and maple syrup) in the US. Food manufacturers will go to insane lengths to get around any laws that protect product purity and honest labeling because the profits are far greater than the fine for breaking the rules. As we all know, if the punishment is a fine, it's only illegal for companies that cannot afford to pay...like…

I have never heard of maple syrup fraud in the US nor can I find any articles on it. Unless one is talking about imitation maple syrups, but those are labeled properly.

It's also a thing, unfortunately.

https://news.uoguelph.ca/2023/04/maple-syrup-fraud-undermine...

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But all the honey labels say the only ingredient is honey. We've always been able to assume that with things like jams, or any other food, when manufacturers adulterate it with things like corn syrup, or even mild poisons, they proudly say so on the label. To not do so is fraud. How can people just claim that an entire industry is committing fraud??? Even this article doesn't mention anything about proof, just suspic…

Note this also happens with olive oil https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/11-o... https://www.oliveoiltimes.com/business/europe/top-italian-po...

Honestly, I don't care about "olive oil fraud" from/within the EU. As long as the final country that bottles it is responsible for food safety, then I am OK with it. Seriously, if you told me that tomatoes were mislabelled from Portugal instead of Spain, I would not care. What are the tangible drawbacks for consumers of mislabelled olive oil from EU?

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Rose colored glasses looking at the past. Nostalgia for something that never was.

Exactly. Food purity and safety has probably never been higher. 100 years ago there was widespread adulteration and contamination of food, in addition to pure snake oil sold as beneficial medication.

I could imagine more adulteration happening as globalization goes up, because traceability gets so much more difficult. Food safety has probably gone up over the past 30 years. But I suspect adulteration has too.

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But all the honey labels say the only ingredient is honey. We've always been able to assume that with things like jams, or any other food, when manufacturers adulterate it with things like corn syrup, or even mild poisons, they proudly say so on the label. To not do so is fraud. How can people just claim that an entire industry is committing fraud??? Even this article doesn't mention anything about proof, just suspic…

If you find this hard to believe, I recommend reading this Forbes article [0] which gives some pretty stark numbers. I've included a few select quotes below: > According to the sampling and monitoring work carried out by the Brussels-based body, almost 50% of the honey from non-European countries is cut with sugar syrups made from rice, wheat or sugar beet. > All the 10 honeys entered via the United Kingdom were mark…

Why do consumers think honey is a special food deserving to spend so much money upon it? I never understand it. Also, I am no doubting this specific Forbes-hosted blog (as I call them), but reader beware. I don't think there is any editorial guidance from the main publishing house. You see all kinds of dubious crap posted on that platform! In the last year or so, HN front page now specifically distinguished blog posts from these subsites, versus the main publisher's website.

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Here's a very straightforward guide to buying honey. If you see honey at a supermarket, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you see honey online, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you find an old dude with a small stand and a bunch of (most likely unlabelled) jars who only accepts cash, that's where you get real honey.

I buy my honey from an old man, who parks off of Beach street, off of I-30, most saturdays. He drives a 30 year old van, falling apart, and places his goods on a plywood table.

Most of the honey is in canning jars, with a home printed label. The claim is it is sourced locally, and there are significant variations in color and taste over the year.

Is he scamming me and buying fake honey on Amazon and re-packaging it to look artisinal? Maybe. But I am convinced it is the real deal.

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So I’ve never had real honey? Why doesn’t someone just sell the stuff the small dude sells in a store?

They do, parent is full of shit. Too much Instagram probably.

There seems to be a lot of gatekeeping where if people buy something too easily it’s made clear they are not getting the “real” thing. Why?

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A 90s percent of honey is fructose, glucose, and water. A very high 90s percent of corn syrup is fructose, glucose, and water. Getting the ratios the same is trivial. There is nothing magical about fructose or glucose from different sources, they’re exactly the same simple molecule. If you had very clean corn syrup, you could undetectably dilute honey and it would be quite the same. Lab tests being what they are thes…

We share more than 90% of our DNA with rats. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’d like to suggest there are some qualitative differences between myself and a literal rat.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=v5sc2F0oQvw

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Note this also happens with olive oil https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/11-o... https://www.oliveoiltimes.com/business/europe/top-italian-po...

Honestly, I don't care about "olive oil fraud" from/within the EU. As long as the final country that bottles it is responsible for food safety, then I am OK with it. Seriously, if you told me that tomatoes were mislabelled from Portugal instead of Spain, I would not care. What are the tangible drawbacks for consumers of mislabelled olive oil from EU?

There was an article about the word enshitification, what you describe the real life example: you are paying a premium price for a product with a lowering quality every year that goes by. Fighting labelling fraud is the correct answer.

If it is written extra virgin olive oil that means a certain oil quality expected in terms of taste. For me that means I can enjoy a non rancid oil on my tasteful tomatoes with real mozzarella di buffalo, and that is a world of difference with making the same salad with tasteless but "tested on rats safe" products

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