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London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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Post by SilverBirch »

frosting1337 wrote: post #206
SilverBirch wrote: post #196

I walk past/through Smithfields regularly. It's... nice? Ok it's not nice, it' uniquely London but it's just a pretty run down area in the middle of much nicer areas. But the plan was never to keep it, the plan was to knock it down and tell the people who had been working there to go work in Dagenham. So in my view this is no difference. That area of London just doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a meat market any…

Except the article states the move to Dagenham has been "dropped".

That's what I'm saying, if you wanted to preserve it, preserve it where it is. If you're preserving it by moving it to east london... you're not really preserving it. There are plenty of distribution centres in east london already. So it's not really a loss to give up on the Dagenham plan.

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Post by fractallyte »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #140
walthamstow wrote: post #85

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But they're not opening a new one! They're closing the current one and telling the traders to fuck off somewhere else

Yo E17 my homie! Think of it as encouragement to the traders to find their own new location :)

Not with the traffic congestion hell that is E17...

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Post by nixpulvis »

DrBazza wrote: post #175

The Corporation of London own the land Billingsgate is on. They've been looking to redevelop this for over a decade since the land's value is now magnitudes more than when it was built because of Canary Wharf and the new Canary Wharf Crossrail station. It's prime real estate land, possibly the best plot in London right now. And so is Smithfield, or at least the land that Museum of London is on, and they're moving to…

How much of that value was created by the food markets?

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Post by ceejayoz »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #181
Symbiote wrote: post #123

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This is completely incorrect, please don't spread culture-war lies on HN. The £12.50 charge is for old, polluting cars. Petrol cars made since around 2005 are exempt, and diesel cars since 2015. Vans from ~2006 and 2016 respectively. https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/car...

A statement that requires context/astriks is not "completely incorrect" Please stop trying to act like a moderator here, it's against HN guidelines.

> Please stop trying to act like a moderator here, it's against HN guidelines.

Read that out loud to yourself, slowly.

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Post by gerdesj »

n4r9 wrote: post #191
dylan604 wrote: post #166

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A sober Englishman? Is there such a thing?

Bit unfair. Plenty of sober Englishman. During the week, anyway. Well, Monday to Thursday. Before midday, at least.

Before breakfast. 'spoons opens quite early in the morning for a reason ...

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Post by fecal_henge »

FredPret wrote: post #168
fecal_henge wrote: post #167

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So reuse them with the caveat you have to pay a little when you drive in a certain 0.6% of the uk.

The most economically valuable 0.6%

That value buys excellent public transport, and generally wages that let you trade in £1000 banger for £3000 one.

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Post by hermitcrab »

fakedang wrote: post #198
roughly wrote: post #56

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Christ, yeah - I came here to post the same quote. What kind of horrific shit does one need to go through in life to become capable of uttering that kind of horseshit with a straight face?

I mean, other countries would kill to preserve such long-lasting heritage, especially one that's in active use and very much a part of the city. But the English of late are exceptionally good at bending over and showing their rear-ends to new foreign overlords for paltry sums of coin.

Indeed. It is shocking how little money it takes to buy influence in the UK. I reckon I could afford my own MP.

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Post by Fnoord »

chris_wot wrote: post #209
mulmen wrote: post #190

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> A healthy economy is one where money, people, skills, and intellectual property has high velocity, meaning people quickly reorient their productive capacity to where it's most useful. Everyone is an interchangeable cog! > Serves them right for Brexit! Brexit wasn’t a unanimous vote. There are people suffering under the Brexit decision that couldn’t vote at the time.

And a lot of them are suffering who definitely could have voted, but decided not to.

And a lot were straight out manipulated, including by foreign agents (Russia).

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Post by FiniteField »

tempusalaria wrote: post #127
walterbell wrote: post #8

Need a City quant PhD to invent a mathematical analog of Black-Scholes [1] for pricing and trading the irreplaceable value of culturally significant physical spaces to future generations. Then City-like [2] institutions can compete financially for ongoing preservation rights, rather than a one-time chop shop auction. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black%E2%80%93Scholes_model [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_…

The reality is that these are not culturally significant institutions and most people in London don’t care. Ordinary Londoners rarely use these markets, and they mostly sell to restaurants, and require major financial support. Not everything from the past is good. We don’t still run coal power plants in London just to get that historic smog. They were already planning to move both markets way out of central London (t…

Most people in London don't care because they are not English and have no connection with the thousands of years of history the city and country have. Only a third of the population has any connection at all to the London of the 1950s, never mind the 1100s. They are not stakeholders in its heritage, the explanation is as simple as that.

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Post by Fnoord »

roughly wrote: post #56
hnbear wrote: post #24

Statement from the City of London Corporation which is closing them down: > Chris Hayward, policy chairman of the City of London Corporation, said the > decision represented a "positive new chapter" for the markets as it "empowers > traders to build a sustainable future in premises that align with their > long-term business goals". This is a great statement. Like firing people to free them up to find jobs that better…

Christ, yeah - I came here to post the same quote. What kind of horrific shit does one need to go through in life to become capable of uttering that kind of horseshit with a straight face?

Quite simple for the psychopath is nothing, nada, zilch, nil, nix.

Sociopath, well. The world is cruel, including for children.

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