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Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by ipaddr »

virgildotcodes wrote: post #119
ipaddr wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you say this to people you label not like you. You probably have more in common than you think. You both agree to label the other and you decided to fight a proxy battle from the agreed among identities. Do you want the other side not to exist as well? If yes let them know.

People defending themselves from bigotry, and bigots themselves, are not equivalent. Black people not wanting racists to exist, and racists not wanting black people to exist, do you see a distinction? There has been such a consistent attempt at ramming square pegs into round holes online in trying to “both sides” a bunch of these issues. One trait is immutable and the other is not. One trait is entirely internally fo…

You guess racist? I had a different first guess. Then I had a better second guess. I then had a three and fourth guess. Then I wasn't sure at all. None of them were racism. This becomes a personality test that speaks about who you are and what battles you always see.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by cryptica »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #203
cryptica wrote: post #197

I refuse to use Bluesky because it is clearly being pushed on the masses, in collusion with mainstream media, as an alternative to X. Clearly another attempt by certain people to control information. It's shocking how people fall for this stuff over and over again. I hope if backfires, mostly draws in users from existing speech-unfriendly platforms and then the number of social media platforms will multiply from here…

And you don't think the desire to get away from Elon Musk and the MAGA crowd had anything to do with it? Nothing good was ever going to come about because of Elon's stupid acquisition. That was made painfully obvious when Xitter stopped paying their bills - I guess in the hopes that creditors would be forced to arbitrate lower payments on debts owed to them (which is bullshit for a billionaire to be doing, but you do…

From my perspective, X experience has improved a lot since Elon's acquisition.

What actually got worse materially? I hear a lot of gesturing 'Orange man bad', 'Elon help orange man, so Elon bad' but I cannot reach any of these conclusions from first principles looking at Trump's policies while he was President... Aside from the Jan 6 incident... But I don't see consensus there between either side so I do have some doubts and questions about the true nature of that incident. The fact is, nobody on Jan 6 had guns besides police officers. How can that possibly be an insurrection? Please correct me if I'm wrong there.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by ipaddr »

kevincrane wrote: post #134
ipaddr wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you say this to people you label not like you. You probably have more in common than you think. You both agree to label the other and you decided to fight a proxy battle from the agreed among identities. Do you want the other side not to exist as well? If yes let them know.

lol I don’t want the bigots and people sending death threats to exist, I’ll stand on a soapbox and say that

Your guess is bigots. Care to provide more details. Racism or a broader bigot definition?

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by bfrog »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #90
frithsun wrote: post #27

It's inevitable that social media will split up into separate and distinct networks of people who can no longer stand or even undertand the other sociopolitical tribes. All of us sharing a singular global network was an exceptional and ephemeral circumstance.

I don’t think it’s inevitable at all. In fact I believe that the present day situation boils down to one thing only: the prioritization of engagement at the cost of all else. That’s what set us down this road. It incentivizes inflammatory posting that eschews nuance and context and twists and exaggerates the subject matter in order to provoke emotional responses — whether they be angry replies, “dunk” quote-posts, re…

It wasn’t like this as little as 10 years ago

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by CaptainFever »

mwinatschek wrote: post #163

Social media was doomed the moment its users were demoted from customers to exploitable sources of data. Bluesky will inevitably follow the same path of enshittification as every other social network before it. Its current success hinges solely on the nostalgic desire for a single platform where people can gather in peace. The real question is: How many cycles of doom will people endure before they finally stop jumpi…

To be fair, is it better for customers to jump from sinking ship to sinking ship, or to permanently stay with a smaller, leaky boat?

Even though I don't like the term "enshittification", I do think that it is inevitable that BlueSky would need to make some unpopular changes in the future to become financially sustainable.

But is this such a bad thing? I used the Fediverse before, which is the "permanent place" that many people claim. But it had many disadvantages, from my point of view. No algorithms, no search, and I didn't like how defederation made it hard to follow anyone I liked.

I hosted a server myself, but it cost money. BlueSky doesn't, until it does. But maybe it is better to basically "exploit" BlueSky's free offers, before it changes?

TLDR: Is it better to jump from free service to free service (e.g. YouTube, Twitter, Reddit), or is it better to permanently stay on a paid or lower-resourced service (e.g. IRC, forums)? I think many people seem to prefer the free version, and jump off when it starts "sinking" (trying to become financially sustainable).

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Post by jazzyjackson »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #93
mulmen wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Never had or seen a death threat. Ever wonder if you might be drawing all of that negative attention yourself. It's hard to admit that you might be the problem. This is victim blaming. It’s wrong and it has no place here or anywhere.

The idea that you cannot possibly be at all responsible in any way for any of the bad things that happen to you is one of the most ridiculous assertions I come across on a regular basis. Are there cases where you bear 0% of the blame for what misfortune occurs? Of course! If someone shoots a gun up in the air from a mile away and the bullet comes screaming through the window and hits you, you bear no responsibility a…

  Come on ya'll now, let's be real
  Some jokers got a rough time keepin' it concealed
  I wonder what it mean, it's probably self-esteem
  They fiendin to be seen, get hemmed like Gabardines
  Cats think it can't happen until the gats start clappin
  They comin' down the wire spittin fire like a dragon
  Cause while the goods glisten, certain eyes take position
  To observe your trickin', then catch that ass slippin'
  Like, come on now ock, what you expect?
  Got a month's paycheck danglin' off your neck
  And while you Cristal sippin', they rubbin' up they mittens
  With heat in mint condition to start the getti-gettin'

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by dhosek »

afavour wrote: post #192
hellcow wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They just raised $15M. Surely their investors expect a large return.

They’d be dumb to: > Bluesky Social is a benefit corporation; as such, it is allowed to use its profits for the public good, and is not obligated to maximize shareholder value or return profits to its shareholders as dividends. I have no idea but I suspect the investors see monetary value in an open social network not owned and operated by today’s tech giants. There’s a difference between users making money via the s…

[Public] Benefit Corporations¹ are this weird sort of in-between between a non-profit and a regular corporation. My first encounter with this was the benefit corp that was set up for This American Life and Serial (although the latter is now owned by the New York Times) and after reading a whole bunch, it’s still not entirely clear to me what it means. Everything I’ve seen talks about transitioning from a non-benefit corp to a benefit corp, I don’t know if the concept is old enough for the reverse to have ever happened.

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1. Whether it’s called a “benefit corporation” or “public benefit corporation” apparently depends on the state, and not all states have laws to allow them to be established.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by dhosek »

llm_trw wrote: post #202
afavour wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’d be dumb to: > Bluesky Social is a benefit corporation; as such, it is allowed to use its profits for the public good, and is not obligated to maximize shareholder value or return profits to its shareholders as dividends. I have no idea but I suspect the investors see monetary value in an open social network not owned and operated by today’s tech giants. There’s a difference between users making money via the s…

Remember when open ai was a not for profit?

It still is.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by nitwit005 »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #198
afavour wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does. If all you do is tap on a post then immediately hit back you’re not really engaging with the platform. But I’m sure they’ll still count you as an active user. The meaningful stats would be number of posts seen, engaged with, and number of posts the user made themselves.

Does Google do that for advertising? I always wonder if my little game of hitting SKIP ASAP shows up as a valid engagement or a user-bailed or something. And the ads, I can't skip, I hate those MFers.

They have a general metric for it:

> An ad is counted as viewable if at least 50% of its area is visible for at least 1 second for display ads, or at least 2 seconds for video ads.

https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/7029393?hl=en

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by virgildotcodes »

ipaddr wrote: post #211
virgildotcodes wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People defending themselves from bigotry, and bigots themselves, are not equivalent. Black people not wanting racists to exist, and racists not wanting black people to exist, do you see a distinction? There has been such a consistent attempt at ramming square pegs into round holes online in trying to “both sides” a bunch of these issues. One trait is immutable and the other is not. One trait is entirely internally fo…

You guess racist? I had a different first guess. Then I had a better second guess. I then had a three and fourth guess. Then I wasn't sure at all. None of them were racism. This becomes a personality test that speaks about who you are and what battles you always see.

Substitute homosexuality, being transgender, or whatever you'd like.
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