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Post by vitus »

unsnap_biceps wrote: post #97
nicce wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How YouTube does this? Netflix is like drop in the ocean when compared to.

My wild assed guess is the differences in the edge nodes. Netflix's edge nodes are optimized for streaming already encoded videos to end users. They have to transcode some number of formats from the source and send them all to the edge nodes to flow out. It's harder to manage a ton of different streams flowing out to the edge nodes cleanly. I would guess YouTube, being built on google's infrastructure , has powerful…

> I would guess YouTube, being built on google's infrastructure , has powerful enough edge nodes that they stream one video stream to each edge location and the edges transcode for the clients.

Ha, no, our edge nodes don't have anywhere near enough spare CPU to do transcoding on the fly.

We have our own issues with livestreaming, but our system's developed differently over the past 15 years compared to Netflix's. While they've historically focused on intelligent pre-placement of data (which of course doesn't work for livestreaming), such an approach was never feasible for YT with the sheer size of our catalog (thanks to user-generated content).

Netflix is still new to the space, and there isn't a good substitute for real-world experience for understanding how your systems behave under wildly different traffic patterns. Give them some time.

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Post by katbyte »

spencerchubb wrote: post #84
moralestapia wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can +1 with a similar anecdote. They obviously have some really good engineers, but many low-tier ones as well. No idea how long they stay there, though. I'm watching the fight now and have experienced the buffering issues. Bit embarrassing for a company that fundamentally only does a single thing, which is this. Also, yeah, 900k TC and whatnot but irl you get this. Mediocre.

livestream is quite different from streaming pre-processed video, so I'm not surprised by the scaling issues

i was mildly interested and managed to find a pirate livestream, it didn't have buffering issues lol

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

ksec wrote: post #122

Netflix is good only on streaming ready made content, not live streaming, but; 1. Netflix is a 300B company, this isn't a resources issue. 2. This isn't the first time they have done live streaming at this scale either. They already have prior failure experience, you expect the 2nd time to be better, if not perfect. 3. There were plenty of time between first massive live streaming to second. Meaning plenty of time to…

You can't solve your way out of a complex problem that you have created and which wasn't needed in the first place. The entire microservices thing was overly complex with zero benefits

I spoke to multiple Netflix senior technicians about this.

They said that's the whole shtick.

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Post by bastard_op »

jameson wrote: post #99

Dumb question Isn't live streaming at scale already solved problem by cable companies? I never seen ESPN going down during a critical event

You would think, but technology always finds a way to screw things up. Cox Communications has had ongoing issues with their video for weeks because of Juniper router upgrades and even the vendor can't fix it. They found this out AFTER they put it in production. Shit happens.

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Post by test6554 »

freditup wrote: post #8

I wonder if there will be any long term reputational repercussions for Netflix because of this. Amongst SWEs, Netflix is known for hiring the best people and their streaming service normally seems very solid. Other streaming services have definitely caught up a bit and are much more reliable then in the early days, but my impression still has always been that Netflix is a step above the rest technically. This sure do…

Yea, it’s a bad look. But I switched to watching some other Netflix video and it seemed fine. Just this event had some early issues. Looks fine now though.

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Post by gamblor956 »

walrushunter wrote: post #56

I'm an engineering manager at a Fortune 500 company. The dumbest engineer on our team left for Netflix. He got a pay raise too. Our engineers are fucking morons. And this guy was the dumbest of the bunch. If you think Netflix hires top tier talent, you don't know Netflix.

Our engineers are fucking morons

If your "dumbest engineer" got a job and a hefty raise going to Netflix, it means he was very capable engineer who was playing the part of moron at this Fortune 500 company because he was reporting to a manager who was calling him and the entire team morons and he didn't feel the need to go above and beyond for that manager.

Also, highly likely that it was the manager that was the moron and not everyone around him.

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Post by betaby »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #68
freditup wrote: post #8

I wonder if there will be any long term reputational repercussions for Netflix because of this. Amongst SWEs, Netflix is known for hiring the best people and their streaming service normally seems very solid. Other streaming services have definitely caught up a bit and are much more reliable then in the early days, but my impression still has always been that Netflix is a step above the rest technically. This sure do…

Is cable and broadcast better for live TV? No scaling issues. Doesn't matter how many people tune in.

Interestingly that TV nowadays is delivered through IP.
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