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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by ithkuil »

zer8k wrote: post #159
weaksauce wrote: post #140

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not a repeat of 2016 at all. he's got every lever of the government at his disposal. stacked supreme court, three branches of government on his side. hiring the worst people for every job possible and hiring only for fealty to him. this will be much worse than 2016.

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Unfortunately complex systems cannot be fixed by simply going full forward in the opposite direction of a bad direction.

And yet we not only want to revert any decision that was made that we think correlates with an unhappy situation, we also want to choose people who are as different as possible from the guys we think are responsible for the unwanted status quo. So if the current politicians are serious people who talk in an articulate way we conclude that seriousness is a problem, because it's two faced. We conclude that being articulated is a problem because it's judgemental, it's a symbol of being elites.

If you conclude that serious looking articulated people are two-faced lying elites there are many alternatives in a multidimensional solution space. You could desire honest serious elites, or honest serious commoners, or many variations on the theme.

But no, we obviously want to get exactly the opposite, because that's the monodimensional thing to do! It's simpler. Let's pick the exact opposite of the people we have. Current people are too serious? Let's pick an unserious person. The current elites are too educated? Let's pick people that don't have formal education and/or that actively denigrate higher education. Etc etc.

I understand the human urge to flip tables. But if I stop thinking about it for a moment, I don't think the strategy is good. In rare cases it might be the necessary strategy, but in most cases it's destroying something that has plenty room for improvement and replace it with something that is much worse and will take even longer to improve over the previous one

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by bena »

zer8k wrote: post #159
weaksauce wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not a repeat of 2016 at all. he's got every lever of the government at his disposal. stacked supreme court, three branches of government on his side. hiring the worst people for every job possible and hiring only for fealty to him. this will be much worse than 2016.

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I really can't take such hyperbolic rhetoric seriously.

I had someone try to claim we had "complete lockdown for years", which is news to me. We had one year of sporadically enforced lockdown-ish measures. Although, we did go out to eat a few times.

Hell, I bought a house during end of 2020/beginning of 2021. By the time we closed, I was back in office, we weren't wearing masks, and people didn't seem too concerned.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by ithkuil »

zzzeek wrote: post #164
notyourwork wrote: post #117

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Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

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Or perhaps he just does it for ego and visibility.

It's hard to tell which of these two options is more likely. 4d chess or simple billionaire egomania ?

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by piva00 »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #78
phony-account wrote: post #58

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> Teslas can go fast real fast, so naively this is the result I would expect given how they have filtered the data. In other words, unless they controlled for this… Explain to me why you would want to filter out fatalities caused by going “real fast”?

If a bunch of lunatics buy the car because it is fast, and kill themselves, that doesn't necessarily affect my safety in the car if I'm buying it for some other feature and don't intend to drive it dangerously.

I think gathering the data to judge who's a lunatic is quite hard and fragile. Finding proxies like past infractions record would be already hard enough to compile at scale, I can't really derive a passable methodology that could tell you what you're asking for.

At least the data informs others that perhaps it's good to be cautious around Teslas, not very much if it's a safe purchase, and they state that it's a safe car so I don't see the hangup you had about it on position of a buyer.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by Mordisquitos »

_blk wrote: post #173
throwaway425933 wrote: post #151

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>> but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this. Well, it cuts both ways. New administration should not be talking till they are in office.

Respectfully, why not? That's the whole point of campaigning. I seriously hope an incoming administration has a plan before they get to office. "I wouldn't change anything" fortunately doesn't seem to win elections when everything's sideways.

Campaigning is customarily done before elections, not after.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by rich_sasha »

jkaptur wrote: post #118
rich_sasha wrote: post #88

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Maybe that's good when hitting a tree? Slower deceleration, less force.

I think they meant that it's more difficult to stop before beginning to impact the tree.

Still. If I'm going to hit a tree, I'd rather drive a tank than a motorbike.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by breckenedge »

whitej125 wrote: post #208

> Tesla vehicles have a fatal crash rate of 5.6 per billion miles driven, according to the study; > So, why are Teslas — and many other ostensibly safe cars on the list — involved in so many fatal crashes? “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities,” What is the nature of those miles driven by each brand? I've got to ima…

> In 2022, the rate of crash deaths per 100 million miles traveled was much higher in rural areas than in urban areas (1.68 in rural areas compared with 1.15 in urban areas). From 1977 to 2022, the rates decreased by 61% in rural areas (from 4.35 to 1.68) and 51% in urban areas (from 2.35 to 1.15).

https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban...

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by floxy »

jdietrich wrote: post #161
bunderbunder wrote: post #50

I'd love to see some sort of multiple regression or ANOVA on this, instead of singling out a single variable. Is car brand really the best independent predictor? Or is it specific design decisions you tend to see in certain brands? (Like, say, maximizing driver distraction by consolidating a bunch of essential controls and information displays into a touchscreen display that's really difficult to operate when it's su…

The Tesla Model Y is a two ton SUV with the performance of a Porsche 911. The base RWD model is fast and the Performance model is stupidly fast. I don't think anyone would be particularly surprised to learn that Porsche drivers get into a lot of fatal accidents.

>I don't think anyone would be particularly surprised to learn that Porsche drivers get into a lot of fatal accidents.

From the actual study:

                               Fatal Accident Rate   Compared to
    Rank| Model               |(per 10^9 Miles)    | Overall Average
    ----+---------------------+--------------------+-----------------
     1  | Hyundai Venue       | 13.9               | 4.9x
     2  | Chevrolet Corvette  | 13.6               | 4.8x
     3  | Mitsubishi Mirage   | 13.6               | 4.8x
     4  | Porsche 911         | 13.2               | 4.6x
     5  | Honda CR-V Hybrid   | 13.2               | 4.6x
     6  | Tesla Model Y       | 10.6               | 3.7x

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by piva00 »

fallingfrog wrote: post #135

I wonder how this breaks down by region. I imagine a heavy car is probably bad in the snow.

Teslas sell quite well in Norway and are driven in the snow while Norway has one of the safest traffic in Western societies.

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Post by StarterPro »

notyourwork wrote: post #117
Koala_ice wrote: post #14

I thoroughyl expect the Deparment of Government Efficiency to recommend U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) be shut down to save previous taxpayer dollars.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

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