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Trump wins presidency for second time

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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by lelanthran »

goethes_kind wrote: post #165

From a game theoretical perspective this is a good result. It is a clear reiteration of the message to the Democrats: you won't win by claiming to be 0.1% less bad. The Democrats should have fielded a strong personality in their own right. This is not about left or right. It's about mobilizing people by giving them something to care about. "More of the same" and "not like that guy" isn't very enticing. I don't think…

> From a game theoretical perspective this is a good result. It is a clear reiteration of the message to the Democrats: you won't win by claiming to be 0.1% less bad.

Yeah, I said as much on a reddit comment prior to knowing the results: This is a good thing for the future of the Dems! They can now take this valuable feedback and put together a better platform to run on in future races.

Running on social activism isn't a winning strategy, no matter how loud that vocal minority is shouting.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by apexalpha »

Not super worried from a European perspective, it might even spur on some cooperation in our own union, which I support.

Just a bit nervous for Ukraine... I wish Europe could step up on that front but we just don't have the capacity for it. Which is entirely our own fault, Trump is right to call us out on our reliance on the US. It's our continent we should be the one spearheading this.

Hopefully that will change in the near future. But that doesn't help Ukraine now.

The democrats need to do some serious introspection on their policies and priorities. And perhaps just return to running a white male as candidate...

Oh well at least it's a very clear victory, so no weeks or months of anxiety over the results.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by ryukoposting »

goethes_kind wrote: post #165

From a game theoretical perspective this is a good result. It is a clear reiteration of the message to the Democrats: you won't win by claiming to be 0.1% less bad. The Democrats should have fielded a strong personality in their own right. This is not about left or right. It's about mobilizing people by giving them something to care about. "More of the same" and "not like that guy" isn't very enticing. I don't think…

As someone living in WI who got barraged with ads from both sides, that wasn't the messaging anyone saw AFAICT. The biggest issue on people's minds was the economy. Dem messaging on economic policy was nonexistent. Women's healthcare isn't an issue that resonates with young (read: unmarried) men. It should, but it doesn't. There could have been some "look out for your wife" messaging, but there wasn't.

There's a lot of people in the comments parroting whatever narrative they cooked up for 2016, but the reality is that both candidates' approaches were wildly different this time around.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by raldi »

the5avage wrote: post #96

Is there some analysis why the polls didn't correctly predict the result? A failure in representative polls like this should be avoided with statistical methods.

The polls predict chance of winning, not share of the vote.

If I predict a coin toss to be 50/50 that doesn’t mean I expect it to land on its side.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by whoitwas »

goethes_kind wrote: post #165

From a game theoretical perspective this is a good result. It is a clear reiteration of the message to the Democrats: you won't win by claiming to be 0.1% less bad. The Democrats should have fielded a strong personality in their own right. This is not about left or right. It's about mobilizing people by giving them something to care about. "More of the same" and "not like that guy" isn't very enticing. I don't think…

I can't understand. The orange goon can't complete a sentence, hates everything, crimes everything, is basically a 300# toddler... A literal toddler would be 99% less bad. If given the choice between Hitler and Trump ... at least you know what Hitler thinks. Trump will change his mind for an extra ketchup.
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