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New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by dang »

7thpower wrote: post #10
ChrisArchitect wrote: post #2

Gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/04/business/media/new-york-t... https://archive.ph/f9gP0

You are doing god’s work. Also, fyi for others. Many public libraries have NYT daily access codes you can use for free. It’s a bit of a pain to have to renew each day you want to read NYT but is still great to have. Having a gift link is even more convenient.

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42040802. (Nothing wrong with your post, I just want to pin the parent to the top so people don't miss the links, and it's better not to consume extra real estate up there)

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Post by ziddoap »

lordgrenville wrote: post #171
gruez wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I can’t help but think those people don’t understand that $100k is very much the new $45k of the 2000s, and has much less purchasing power than the latter did at the time. False. $45k in 2005 is only $73k today, when adjusted for inflation[1]. Even if you use the most generous interpretation of "2000s" to mean 2000, that's only $82k. [1] https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

And median wage in NYC is $74k (according to Google). Sure, Manhattan is different, tech salaries are different, etc. I'm not claiming that these specific workers should/shouldn't be paid more, just that it's really tone-deaf to claim that you can't live on <$100k, when more than half of New Yorkers do.

>when more than half of New Yorkers do

I'm curious about what portion of those that are living on $74k or less are doing so solo, and how many are only able to do so by racking up debt / getting support from family / etc.

I live in an area less expensive than NYC and, at least anecdotally in my circles, if you don't have a partner (or other assistance like roommates, parents, or something along those lines) it seems pretty damn rough to get by on ~70k.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Post by vel0city »

bsimpson wrote: post #155
gruez wrote: post #132

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Most families have more than one earner, though.

It'll be curious to see what the ramifications are of sending a kid to daycare basically straight away, vs rearing him at home until he's ~5. The costs in cities like NY and SF are so high that many kids end up in care as soon as parental leave expires. One of the big recent public policies in NYC is "3K," public schooling for kids starting at 3 years old.

A small sample size, but all of my kids which go to a pretty high-end daycare seem to have a bit leg up on peers who have stayed home in terms of social skills, language, reasoning, and reading. That's not just me acting like my kids are the best (of course they are), that's those other parents mentioning it to me.

It's practically a college tuition per kid at age 0 though.

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Post by School-Cotton »

dfxm12 wrote: post #169
randomdata wrote: post #124

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> One of the things they're striking against is arbitrary return to office mandates. If it is arbitrary, why is the NYT seemingly standing firm on the issue? As the article tells, NYT have agreed to a seven month grace period to give workers a chance to get their houses in order. That is not indicative of an arbitrary move. Perhaps you mean they are striking against mandates that are motivated by undisclosed reasons?

If it is arbitrary, why is the NYT seemingly standing firm on the issue? You'll have to ask NYT management if you're curious why they're doing something. I can venture a guess though. A lot of companies use RTO mandates as a way to avoid layoffs (and the negative press and severance requirements that come with them). This seems to go hand in hand with the demand for "just cause". As the article tells, NYT have agreed…

There are no severance requirements for layoffs in the US.

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Post by wg0 »

ponector wrote: post #194

I totally support their demand for remote work. NY Times should hire more remote! They could save a lot by hiring offshore without hassle of providing benefits or fighting unions.

Can't get this fetish with on premise work when the code you write is on your machine, the systems you deploy to are in a data centre you don't know the exact location of.

If Linux kernel can be developed remotely spanning over several architectures and huge number of mission critical subsystems, surely your systems having blog posts, comments and such can work as well and if not, you have failed to articulate exactly what needs to be done and by when and under what constraints.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

bee_rider wrote: post #175
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #149

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Interesting. I spot checked the Boeing strike, and it does seem like unions often aren't too specific about their demands in public. I guess a lot of stuff that I thought came from unions is actually coming from internal reports like this.

I know some folks who’ve done union organizing a bit, although I’m personally not that interested in it, so take this with a HUGE grain of salt. But I think appealing to the general public is a tool in the toolset, something they consider, but not an automatic go-to. Ultimately, the NYT tech guild doesn’t actually want the general public to think their boss is a “bad guy,” right? Like, getting the general public to b…

That's true, makes perfect sense.

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Post by [deleted] »

criddell wrote: post #26
ChrisArchitect wrote: post #2

Gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/04/business/media/new-york-t... https://archive.ph/f9gP0

The current top comment includes this: > I encourage everyone to respect the picket line and get your news elsewhere until the workers get a deal. It would be nice if this could be replaced with a non-NYT link.

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Post by robertlagrant »

kayo_20211030 wrote: post #185
gruez wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I can’t help but think those people don’t understand that $100k is very much the new $45k of the 2000s, and has much less purchasing power than the latter did at the time. False. $45k in 2005 is only $73k today, when adjusted for inflation[1]. Even if you use the most generous interpretation of "2000s" to mean 2000, that's only $82k. [1] https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

There's more in play here than math. An interesting idea is the concept of a "Vibecession", coined by Kyla Scanlon. It's more a focus on how people "feel" about their situation than it is math. It's resonant to me. https://kyla.substack.com/p/the-vibecession-the-self-fulfill...

> There's more in play here than math

As in "people feel as though they want to be paid more"? You may find the idea interesting and resonant, but how does that affect anything? It's still true that they're on more than journalists, regardless of how they feel.

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Post by apwell23 »

michaelt wrote: post #128
ceejayoz wrote: post #98

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> That figure is an average of $40,000 more than members of the Times’s journalist union, she said. The journalist union should push for an increase too, then. NYC cost of living is enormous .

I don't know about the NYT, but in my country newspapers are fighting for their lives, financially. Newspapers closing down and others laying off staff is a regular occurance. Print newspapers are essentially dead. Online news? Barely anyone pays for that. Online with ads? Reddit/twitter/facebook/youtube pay zero dollars for the content they put ads on. If you're in tech and you want to maximise your salary - a compa…

nyt makes tons of money from trump news. Its not the same as local news. Trump ironically revived "failing new york times" .
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