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Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by lovich »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #209
type0 wrote: post #196

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the feature to see as many Ukrainians dead as possible?

And dead Russians. The longer the war goes, the better for the US and NATO. That's the whole reason it exists in the first place.

Pretty sure the war exists because Russia decided it wanted more land and resources.

If you want to argue otherwise, I would need you to explain how Russia has no agency and is instead a weak puppet for everyone else.

You cant have it both ways where Russia is a country that makes it own decisions, but also everything happening as a result of its actions, isn't their fault

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by s1artibartfast »

lovich wrote: post #211
s1artibartfast wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And dead Russians. The longer the war goes, the better for the US and NATO. That's the whole reason it exists in the first place.

Pretty sure the war exists because Russia decided it wanted more land and resources. If you want to argue otherwise, I would need you to explain how Russia has no agency and is instead a weak puppet for everyone else. You cant have it both ways where Russia is a country that makes it own decisions, but also everything happening as a result of its actions, isn't their fault

there are numerous reasons and everyone has choices. I'm saying that the choices the US made were a major part of bringing about the war. It is 100% upside and the US would do it again.

I think keeping NATO out of Ukraine would have been sufficient to avoid the whole conflict. That is without getting into more exotic options.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by euroderf »

jodacola wrote: post #98
amadeuspagel wrote: post #90

Fascinating stuff. I went down a rabbit hole with this particlar ad: https://adstransparency.google.com/advertiser/AR132650406472... It links to a website called fultongrandjury.com, which I at first thought would be an official government website, and what initially made me curious was the idea of spending money to advertise a government website, getting this additional credibility. Like, if the facts are so strongl…

Small Town Truth says it's a registered 501(c)(3). I just found it by searching here: https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/ It leads to further rabbit holes I don't have the time to dig into now, but I might later, because now I'm very curious where it leads.

headline: Russian disinfo webring busted by HN diligence

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by lovich »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #212
lovich wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure the war exists because Russia decided it wanted more land and resources. If you want to argue otherwise, I would need you to explain how Russia has no agency and is instead a weak puppet for everyone else. You cant have it both ways where Russia is a country that makes it own decisions, but also everything happening as a result of its actions, isn't their fault

there are numerous reasons and everyone has choices. I'm saying that the choices the US made were a major part of bringing about the war. It is 100% upside and the US would do it again. I think keeping NATO out of Ukraine would have been sufficient to avoid the whole conflict. That is without getting into more exotic options.

> And dead Russians. The longer the war goes, the better for the US and NATO. That's the whole reason it exists in the first place.

>> there are numerous reasons and everyone has choices

>>> I'm saying that the choices the US made were a major part of bringing about the war.

Would you like to either not lie outright, or(if I am being charitable) explain yourself fully in the first place? The comment I responded to from you, was saying that the whole reason the war in Ukraine existed was because it was better for NATO and the US.

Walk that argument back, explain how you weren't nuanced enough in your original statement in the first place, or admit you're just pro Russia. I'll allow for another option I didn't enumerate, but you'll need to provide evidence for it

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by s1artibartfast »

lovich wrote: post #214
s1artibartfast wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there are numerous reasons and everyone has choices. I'm saying that the choices the US made were a major part of bringing about the war. It is 100% upside and the US would do it again. I think keeping NATO out of Ukraine would have been sufficient to avoid the whole conflict. That is without getting into more exotic options.

> And dead Russians. The longer the war goes, the better for the US and NATO. That's the whole reason it exists in the first place. >> there are numerous reasons and everyone has choices >>> I'm saying that the choices the US made were a major part of bringing about the war. Would you like to either not lie outright, or(if I am being charitable) explain yourself fully in the first place? The comment I responded to fr…

The war is great for the USA in almost every possible way. New NATO members, Better military positions, Sanctions on Russia and weakened economy, Europe is finally spending money on military, the list goes on.

If the war goes on for another 10 years, it would be a blessing.

Which part is confusing you? Anyone who is Pro-USA and anti-Russia should be for it, and for dragging it out as long as possible.

Thus, it is not surprising that the US took the actions within its control to bring it about, and then trickle funds Ukraine to draw it out as long as possible.

It is the military deal of the Century. We spent 2.5 Trillion dollars on Iraq(in 2014 prices) and look what we got. Ukraine has only cost ~175 billion, and most of that money is spent to buy US weapons.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by lovich »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #215
lovich wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And dead Russians. The longer the war goes, the better for the US and NATO. That's the whole reason it exists in the first place. >> there are numerous reasons and everyone has choices >>> I'm saying that the choices the US made were a major part of bringing about the war. Would you like to either not lie outright, or(if I am being charitable) explain yourself fully in the first place? The comment I responded to fr…

The war is great for the USA in almost every possible way. New NATO members, Better military positions, Sanctions on Russia and weakened economy, Europe is finally spending money on military, the list goes on. If the war goes on for another 10 years, it would be a blessing. Which part is confusing you? Anyone who is Pro-USA and anti-Russia should be for it, and for dragging it out as long as possible. Thus, it is not…

I'm not really interested in dealing with you moving the goal posts back and forth, so if you would like to continue this discussion I am going to ask you to pick your strongest argument on this topic.

If you do not want to pick a single argument to defend, then ok

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by datavirtue »

euroderf wrote: post #213
jodacola wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small Town Truth says it's a registered 501(c)(3). I just found it by searching here: https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/ It leads to further rabbit holes I don't have the time to dig into now, but I might later, because now I'm very curious where it leads.

headline: Russian disinfo webring busted by HN diligence

Spot on.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by s1artibartfast »

lovich wrote: post #216
s1artibartfast wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The war is great for the USA in almost every possible way. New NATO members, Better military positions, Sanctions on Russia and weakened economy, Europe is finally spending money on military, the list goes on. If the war goes on for another 10 years, it would be a blessing. Which part is confusing you? Anyone who is Pro-USA and anti-Russia should be for it, and for dragging it out as long as possible. Thus, it is not…

I'm not really interested in dealing with you moving the goal posts back and forth, so if you would like to continue this discussion I am going to ask you to pick your strongest argument on this topic. If you do not want to pick a single argument to defend, then ok

I haven't moved any goal posts. I stand by them.

Im saying this war is happening because the US wanted it. It wants it because it is great for the US. It could have been trivially avoided if the US wanted.

Again, what part of this is contradictory or confusing to you?

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by datavirtue »

cedws wrote: post #67

Political advertising just makes democracy look like a total joke. If you can buy votes by shoving ads in peoples’ faces that’s not a democracy, that’s an oligarchy.

I tend to agree. I was thinking last night that all elections should be write-in only. You want to vote for someone to fill an office, you have to write their name. This would change the entire system because you wouldn't be able to vote party in ten seconds flat. The propaganda and parties and grift are so cemented in that making party-line voting difficult seems like a logical first step. Ranked choice wouldn't hurt either.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by datavirtue »

AftHurrahWinch wrote: post #181
rqtwteye wrote: post #151

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Germany doesn't have negative ads criticizing opponents (at least it didn't have them when I lived there). This makes them refreshingly boring. I would guess at least 90% of the US ads are basically "the other guy is bad. Be afraid" without much content. Getting rid of the negative ads would help a lot.

You might find this interesting! "The Impact of Negative Political Advertisement on Voter Behaviour in Germany – an Experiment" https://www.kas.de/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=f8324712... "Negative campaigning has been a feature of German political campaigns from the very beginning of the Federal Republic... the central idea of this paper is to examine the considerable difference between negative campaigning in G…

Sounds like their system isn't in the later stages of cancer like the US.
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