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Secret 3D scans in the French Supreme Court

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Re: Secret 3D scans in the French Supreme Court

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Post by dekhn »

dagenleg wrote: post #149
kardos wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no privatization here (moving the scans from public domain to private), the author is seeking the opposite, shifting the scans to the public unencumbered.

Yes, to be commercialized and privatized by the author. Somehow all of the "open access projects" on the authors website seem to be concerned with releasing 3D models scanned by others, and not you know, his own projects. I don't see any commitments to publish derived work and such. I know that the story of an independent artist fighting a big bureaucratic public institutions is something that would get a lot of symp…

The author posts STL files under CC-Attribution so it's not being privatized.

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Post by krick »

rpigab wrote: post #104

I am a French taxpayer. This is not the most outrageous thing about taxpayer money at work that I learned today. That would be the fact that local branches of the ministry of agriculture require wind turbine builders to put blue dyed water in concrete to make it friendly to all life or something, I'm not sure I understand, it's called Pneumatit®, and I'm not making this up. It's biodynamics, it's biogeology (neither…

I was slightly annoyed starting to read your comment, because "who cares what this guy learned today? these people are obstructing aggregation of knowledge, let's focus on that!", but after googling this "Pneumatit®" stuff…

> Concrete with Pneumatit® is different. The experience of Pneumatit® rooms is described as warm, wide, free, soft, relaxing, breathing. Because Pneumatit®, a liquid additive, permanently anchors a fine biological activity (liveliness) in concrete - and in all other building materials based on cement and anhydrite.

I don't even know, what to say, this is the most absurd thing I've seen in a long time. I'm chuckling right now, but the fact, that some country enforces using it… It's truly mindblowing.

P.S.

Could you please source some regulation or something where it says you have to use Pneumatit®? Cannot find it myself, and the fact that French ministry of agricultureenforces it is a bigger part of the story than the product itself.

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Post by dekhn »

rendall wrote: post #142
dTal wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That jumped out to me as well, particularly given the otherwise high quality of the writing. It's an example of what I perceive as a more general phenomenon - spelling errors, particularly confusion of uncommon homonyms[note], appear to have increased in frequency. I previously attributed it to the internet simply lowering the bar for "publishing" to the less educated, and the greater proportion of text that makes it…

It has taken me a long time to let go of "to beg the question" as exclusively meaning "to employ circular reasoning" and not cringe when I see it used to mean "to raise the question". What gave me calm to accept such changes is understanding that the language we use today is a result of such changes. Awful once meant full of awe and now means very bad or unpleasant. Nice no longer means foolish and now means pleasant…

Note also the different meaning to "to table" (in a political context) between England and the US. One means "to put on the table for consideration" while the other means "take out of consideration and set it aside on the table"

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Post by eichin »

1123581321 wrote: post #106
holowoodman wrote: post #91

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Actually, imho, the AMAZING ORIGINAL THINGS are actually useless. You can not touch them, get close, rotate them, look at them properly, take your time. You are just number 29387 that day visiting the Mona Lisa, you get 5s to view it, then the line moves on. A high-res photo or 3d-scan allows you to do all those things (maybe except really touching them). So aside from the emotional benefit of having been near the re…

Five seconds is brutally short. What painting has the largest area of appreciation, when notoriety or quality is multiplied by time allowed to view it?

"largest area" immediately brought "A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte" to mind - not for actual impact, just because the physical painting is nearly 10 feet across, which noone seems to expect. Also it's on one wall of an enormous room with plenty of room for people to circulate, in a gallery that has various options for free access (mostly aimed at locals and students, but the art institute doesn't seem too picky about it.)

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Post by grahamj »

wiz21c wrote: post #51
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they lie about it then? These museums are subsidized by tax payers, not only just local money but often with additional EU funding as well. The scans were paid for by the public. This seems comically evil for no apparent reason.

Although I agree(stuff bought with tax money should go to tax payers), you do realize that many people don't see it that way. Especially when their career rely on withholding the stuff in question. Another example: if people have access to 3D scans, then they might come to the museum anymore because they can make a virtual tour... (I doubt of that, but well, it's an example) But, of course, as a tax payer, I wanted t…

> a museum is not there to be profitable

This is so important. Museums (should) exist because the artifacts are rare and must necessarily be protected and confined. They should be overjoyed that scans allow everyone to enjoy these artifacts, even without visiting a museum.

Anything else is corruption.

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Symbiote wrote: post #24

> The court ruled that the museum’s revenue, business model, and supposed threats from competition and counterfeiting are irrelevant to the public’s right to access its scans, a dramatic rejection of the museum’s position It would have helped the museum and government ministry if this had been clear before the government-funded scanning program was started. (Maybe it was, I don't know.) I was initially sympathetic to…

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Re: Secret 3D scans in the French Supreme Court

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Post by justinclift »

> Anyone in the world with an internet connection can view, interact with, and download the British Museum’s 3D scan of the Rosetta Stone, for example.

Attempting that just now from the linked page: https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/the-rosetta-stone-1e03509704...

Note that Sketchfab is a 3rd party crowd (not the British Museum), and trying to download that model requires signing up for a Sketchfab account.

So while it's kind of "public access", that's only while Sketchfab is still around and still requires giving this random place your details.

It's better than nothing, but not exactly fantastic for a public institution to be doing.

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Post by m463 »

mmooss wrote: post #9

Anyone in the world with an internet connection can view, interact with, and download the British Museum’s 3D scan of the Rosetta Stone, for example. The public can freely access hundreds of scans of classical sculpture from the National Gallery of Denmark, and visitors to the Smithsonian’s website can view, navigate, and freely download thousands of high-quality scans of artifacts ranging from dinosaur fossils to th…

This makes me think about old racing games. (Maybe it was Gran Turismo?)

I remember the racing games had likenesses of some major manufacturer cars, but I believe the license terms said that the cars could not look bad. So not show crash damage, modification, etc..

Basically, the license terms protected the brand.

Now what if you put some country's national/cultural artifacts in a game... then let them get weapon or explosive damage?

Something to think about.

Re: Secret 3D scans in the French Supreme Court

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Post by sadeshmukh »

justinclift wrote: post #217

> Anyone in the world with an internet connection can view, interact with, and download the British Museum’s 3D scan of the Rosetta Stone, for example. Attempting that just now from the linked page: https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/the-rosetta-stone-1e03509704... Note that Sketchfab is a 3rd party crowd (not the British Museum), and trying to download that model requires signing up for a Sketchfab account. So while it…

At least you can download it. They can't undownload it once you have it, and people can distribute from what they have.

Re: Secret 3D scans in the French Supreme Court

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Post by krick »

geuis wrote: post #172
newaccount74 wrote: post #58

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> weird, jealous hoarding mentality happening on the museums side That's exactly it. I work on a website that makes ancient artefacts accessible. A lot of them are in museums. You wouldn't believe how many museums: - don't want to show you their archive - don't want to let you take pictures - want you to share only low res pictures - want you to get permission before you can "publish" their artefacts, etc. It's extre…

What's your website since you mentioned it?

"Subscribing" to the comment, since I would also like to know. I didn't know this thing exists, and it is such a hot topic for me that I kinda contemplated if I could somehow start it myself.
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