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Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by ilaksh »

njtransit wrote: post #179
ilaksh wrote: post #127

There are actually multiple open source ML models for 2d to 3d which is clearly what they are doing. The difference with most of them is that this is vectors. There might actually be a similar open source model already. But I think to create it you would build it from a database of 3d assets that you could render from many angles. Probably quite similar to the way the 2d to 3d works. I don't know maybe the typical 2d…

Are you sure that’s what they’re doing? In the demo, they show that the vector sections have been preserved, so there’s clearly more to the story. Maybe 2D -> 3D, map path to vertex, rotate, project path back into 2D?

I think it's not the same but similar.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by cchance »

I've seen a lot of cool shit from adobe but its mostly rehashed stuff thats been cleaned up from public workflows from stuff we've seen done in comfyui and other flux/stable diffusion based expansion workflows... like the IC-Light style relighting they demod...

But this... this is really fuckin cool

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by cchance »

dagmx wrote: post #203
woah wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if the open source option is only slightly worse, why would a professional allow that to impact how they earn a living?

Yeah precisely. The Adobe suite is affordable if you’re actively making money off using it. It’s also why there’s not as much investment in competing open source projects. $80 CAD/mo for the whole suite minus the substance stuff (prices are regional). For the average freelancer in Canada, that’s not a consequential barrier to entry. That’s If I charge a rate of something like $40/hr, that’s two hours in a month? Mean…

Sure as long as adobe doesn't decide to go back and do the whole "we own the rights to everything ever opened in one of our apps" again lol

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by BlueTemplar »

DowagerDave wrote: post #183
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article says clearly there's no guarantee this feature will be released. Which I'm reading as "Demo-ready, but far from production-ready." Somewhat relevant: my experience with Photoshop's Generative Fill has been underwhelming. Sometimes it's wrong, often it's comically wrong. I haven't had many easy wins with it. IMO this is a company that doodles with code for its own entertainment, not a company that innovate…

you don't need to release to production for real value. I'm under intense pressure to scope out frothy AI features because just discussing them with prospects has a material impact on the costs of the sales funnel.

This sounds closer to fake value.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by cchance »

jerf wrote: post #88
porphyra wrote: post #33

I find that Adobe is really pulling away from open source software with all this AI stuff. A few years ago it could be argued that GIMP, Inkscape, and Darktable could do almost everything that Photoshop, Illustrator, and Lightroom could, albeit with a jankier user interface. But now none of the open source software can compete with AI generative fill, AI denoising, and now AI rotation.

"But now none of the open source software can compete with AI generative fill, AI denoising, and now AI rotation." This is a common pattern across many fields. The truly top-end companies are always running ahead of open source. But that doesn't mean it's a permanent situation. It just means you're looking at it from a point in time where the commercials got there, and open source hasn't yet. Open source will get the…

I mean we've been able to do generative fill and denoising, better in open for a while, its just not as easy (except for video really)

What Adobe does is wrap those things in an easy to use app, and then charge for it, and hopefully not change their licensing again to grab everyones shit again.

Regarding the scheduler (dpmpp) sure adobe doesn't tell you those things, but thats because they found one that worked, removed the options and packaged it up with a bow, comfy and a111 and forge etc, are more complex because they give you EVERYTHING and let you have at it. There are frontends that wipe all that away but they arent successful because like the linux world, people in opensource want to be able to tinker with all the internals and shit, which is why opensource tends to see some groundbreaking optimizations, like taking the Flux model from requiring 30+gb of vram to run to running on 6gb of vram lol

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by cchance »

njtransit wrote: post #179
ilaksh wrote: post #127

There are actually multiple open source ML models for 2d to 3d which is clearly what they are doing. The difference with most of them is that this is vectors. There might actually be a similar open source model already. But I think to create it you would build it from a database of 3d assets that you could render from many angles. Probably quite similar to the way the 2d to 3d works. I don't know maybe the typical 2d…

Are you sure that’s what they’re doing? In the demo, they show that the vector sections have been preserved, so there’s clearly more to the story. Maybe 2D -> 3D, map path to vertex, rotate, project path back into 2D?

It's 2d to 3d back to 2d and converted to vectors.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

DowagerDave wrote: post #183
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article says clearly there's no guarantee this feature will be released. Which I'm reading as "Demo-ready, but far from production-ready." Somewhat relevant: my experience with Photoshop's Generative Fill has been underwhelming. Sometimes it's wrong, often it's comically wrong. I haven't had many easy wins with it. IMO this is a company that doodles with code for its own entertainment, not a company that innovate…

you don't need to release to production for real value. I'm under intense pressure to scope out frothy AI features because just discussing them with prospects has a material impact on the costs of the sales funnel.

> just discussing them with prospects [...] sales funnel

I'll admit I have no idea what % of Adobe licensees/subscribers are individuals and small visual/graphic design firms (who choose Adobe for personal reasons) compared to larger companies (news agencies, web-design body-shops, etc) where employees use the tools given to them despite any personal preferences for rivals like Procreate, etc - and the rest: students, hobbyist photographers, etc.

...but none of the aforementioned market-segments seem like they'd make "AI" (whatever that means) any part of their purchasing-decision. Buzzwords only help sales when the audience is ignorant and/or impressionable; and when your audience are well-informed, seasoned (and cynical) professionals then buzzwords have the opposite effect and damage a company's credibility.

...so I'm not sure who, exactly, Adobe is trying to message with their press-copy for Adobe Firefly (their "generative AI for business" product); perhaps it's just a charade meant only for their shareholders? I'm glad they aren't copying Microsoft and shoving AI branding where it really doesn't belong and compromising the user-experience (...at least not so the same extent).

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by dibbla »

It looks cool and covinient for people like designers and other non-techinical content creators. One natural follow-up would be, can we find many other similar operations that are used by creativity people everyday and tackle them under a unified framework?
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