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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by jakkos » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 8:04 PM UTC

atomic128 wrote: post #75

danielovichdk wrote: post #38

No thank you. As with anything else that is helpful, there is a balancing act to be aware of. This is too much for my taste. Just like github copilot is too much. It's too dumb like this. But chatgpt is insanely helpful in a context where I really need to learn something I am deep diving into or where I need an extra layer of direction. I do not use the tool for coding up front. I use them for iterations on narrow su…

Don't fight this. Try to profit from it. People love these tools and they will become utterly, utterly dependent. Using a spell-checker, I have gradually lost my ability to spell. Using these LLM tools, large parts of the population will lose the ability to think. Try to own them like farm animals. The large number of tokens being processed by iterative models requires enormous energy. Look at the power draw of a Hop…

> Try to own them like farm animals.

Jesus christ, I hope you are never in a position of any significant power

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by vineyardmike » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 8:05 PM UTC

rvnx wrote: post #140

iwishiknewlisp wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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(edited: removed link about some parties organized by influential people)

There is nothing wrong with sex parties, nor drug use. But a lot of these VC-adjacent parties have reports of strong power imbalance- “young female founder seeking funds, wealthy VC seeking partygoers”. That is the issue with them.

(Like those described in the removed link)

Altman is a married gay man, so his involvement in them seem… less likely.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by thr0meister » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 8:05 PM UTC

iwishiknewlisp wrote: post #133

arrobbiato wrote: post #94

Mixed feelings about this: clearly this is meant to match one of the killer features of Claude. I like using Claude, and I'm also a big supporter of Anthropic - not just because it's an underdog, but due to its responsible and ethical corporate governance model[1], which stands in stark contrast to OpenAI. It's worrying to see ChatGPT close one of the gaps between it and Claude. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/the…

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> something about the expressions and behavior of Sam Altman gives me the creeps even before I was aware of the allegations against him.

He has the exact same vibe as Elizabeth Holmes. He does seem to be a bit better at it though.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by rglover » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 8:06 PM UTC

arrobbiato wrote: post #94

Mixed feelings about this: clearly this is meant to match one of the killer features of Claude. I like using Claude, and I'm also a big supporter of Anthropic - not just because it's an underdog, but due to its responsible and ethical corporate governance model[1], which stands in stark contrast to OpenAI. It's worrying to see ChatGPT close one of the gaps between it and Claude. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/the…

If you prefer to support Claude, check out Parrot [1]. I'll be adding a feature similar to this backed by Claude 3.5 Sonnet over the next few weeks.

[1] https://codewithparrot.com

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by freediver » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 8:07 PM UTC

pragmomm wrote: post #147

arrobbiato wrote: post #94

Mixed feelings about this: clearly this is meant to match one of the killer features of Claude. I like using Claude, and I'm also a big supporter of Anthropic - not just because it's an underdog, but due to its responsible and ethical corporate governance model[1], which stands in stark contrast to OpenAI. It's worrying to see ChatGPT close one of the gaps between it and Claude. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/the…

Canvas is closer to Cursor ( https://www.cursor.com ) than Claude. I wonder how Paul Graham thinks of Sam Altman basically copying Cursor and potentially every upstream AI company out of YC, maybe as soon as they launch on demo day. Is it a retribution arc?

Cursor was one of the first AI editors I used, but recently Aider has completely replaced the AI assisted coding for me. I still use cursor but just as an editor, all LLM work is done with aider in the shell.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by joshstrange » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 8:08 PM UTC

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by vasco » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 8:08 PM UTC

nmfisher wrote: post #76

yumraj wrote: post #71

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AGI is a research project. These are revenue generators. Both have a place.

If I genuinely thought I was close to AGI, I’d focus all my efforts on that, then ask it to build my revenue generators. That’s probably what Ilya is doing. (FWIW I don’t think we’re close to AGI).

Saying you're close to AGI is a pretty good marketing move to sell consumer products though.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by natch » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 8:10 PM UTC

It would be great if OpenAI could just wait on these announcements until they can turn on the feature for all Plus users at once.

Rant.

Their poor communication is exemplary in the industry. You can't even ask the old models about new models. The old models think that 4o is 4.0 (cute, team, you're so cool /s), and think that it's not possible to do multimodal. It's as if model tuning does not exist. I had a model speaking to me telling it cannot do speech. It was saying this out loud. I cannot speak, it said out loud. I get that the model is not the view/UX, but still. The models get other updates; they should be given at least the basic ability to know a bit of their context including upcoming features.

And if not, it would be great if OpenAI could tell us some basics on the blog about how to get the new features. Unspoken, the message is "wait." But it would be better if this was stated explicitly. Instead we wonder: do I need to update the app? Is it going to be a separate app? Is it a web-only feature for now, and I need to look there? Do I need to log out and back in? Is it mobile only maybe? (obviously unlikely for Canvas). Did I miss it in the UI? Is there a setting I need to turn on?

This branching combinatorically exploding set of possibilities is potentially in the minds of millions of their users, if they take the time to think about it, wasting their time. It brings to mind how Steve Jobs was said to have pointed out that if Apple can save a second per user, that adds up to lifetimes. But instead of saying just a simple "wait" OpenAI has us in this state of anxiety for sometimes weeks wondering if we missed a step, or what is going on. It's a poor reflection on their level of consideration, and lack of consideration does not bode well for them possibly being midwives for the birthing of an AGI.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by hprotagonist » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 8:11 PM UTC

joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

they're out there; https://github.com/s-kostyaev/ellama/blob/main/ellama.el for example.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by j_maffe » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 8:12 PM UTC

throwgfgfd25 wrote: post #27

yawnxyz wrote: post #13

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This means you're a great writer — congrats! I'm a terrible writer, and this kind of crutch is really useful. Other people in our lab (from China, Korea, etc.) also find this kind of thing useful for working / communicating quickly

Well, I've just read back through some of your comments and I say that ain't so! Write honestly. Write the way you write. Use your own flow, make your own grammatical wobbles, whatever they are. Express yourself authentically. Don't let an AI do this to you.

Thanks for saying this. Whenever Grammarly puts a red line under a slightly superflouos part of the sentence I get more and more agitated at this small nudging to robotic writing.