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Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

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Or put another way Musk is anti censorship, anti war in Ukraine, anti complying with the Harris/Biden agenda to deplatform political rivals such as they did 4 days after Biden took office, forcing Pre Musk Twitter/X and Facebook to do their bidding - or else. Turns out the ones squawking loudest about the other being a threat to democracy are in fact the ones actively working against our Constitutional Rights. And I’…

I swear I've read this before is it a copypasta?

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

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5G is going exactly the opposite way to provide higher bandwidth, more cells with each less users. With satellite internet you're sharing the medium with everyone, and that doesn't scale well. Beamforming probably helps a lot, but I don't how accurate it can be on that distance.

You can have essentially unlimited satellites the issue is the percentage of time each one spends over high density areas. Design for NYC density and 99% of satellites would be redundant at any given moment. The solution for increasing density is dropping costs so it’s viable for satellites to be idle 95% of the time. At least as a first approximation, there’s some tricks with how you setup orbits after the basic net…

Musk himself has said Starlink is not designed for cities and fiber is a much better option there. To supply say NYC, you would need also be supplying bandwidth to the entire world underneath the orbit that the satellites. That is a lot of wasted satellite time as it flies around the earth with zero users most of the time just for the brief moment while users spike to the scale of a city like NYC.

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

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One wonders how we ran electricity out everywhere. Running a fibre is about the same cost as running a power cable.

Above ground power lines make up most of the it. A pole and wire isn't that expensive. Burying is drastically more expensive.

So run the fibre on the power line

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

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What number would you have been good with? $5? That $20 could have been useful. Imagine how much more money the average taxpayer would have if the government didn't spend that 0.001% of it's budget. You'd be complaining about any amount. Or do you think they wouldn't have complained if it was only $600M? Just be honest and state what you really feel: the government shouldn't spend any money assisting communities with…

Hard to say, given I just found out about this situation. I think it's higher than $20 for sure, but probably less than half than a billion. I think a more in depth analysis of the circumstances that led to the need to spend that money in the first place would be in order. Can you tell me why I am supposed to answer your questions, but you have successfully dodged all of mine while levying personal attacks however? S…

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Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

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Or put another way Musk is anti censorship, anti war in Ukraine, anti complying with the Harris/Biden agenda to deplatform political rivals such as they did 4 days after Biden took office, forcing Pre Musk Twitter/X and Facebook to do their bidding - or else. Turns out the ones squawking loudest about the other being a threat to democracy are in fact the ones actively working against our Constitutional Rights. And I’…

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I've been a lifelong liberal and won't vote Democrat after seeing how SpaceX and Tesla are being treated by the liberal media, including the publishing of outright fake news by so called reputable outlets. I don't support Trump or Putin or dictators in general. If I vote Republican at some point it'd be an anti-Democrat vote.

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

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Electromagnetic waves transit state lines pretty much constantly. Hardware which creates/receives radio waves pretty much constantly transits state lines as well, I don't know too many radio manufacturers which restrict sale to only the state they operate in. You should probably read the constitution first about things which are interstate and who has permissions to regulate it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce…

It’s still against the law in the US to transmit on many bands without a license even if you build your own radio from scratch at home. Talking at a distance has nothing inherently to do with commerce. We basically punted on the 10th amendment with things like the FCC and DOE (education, not energy).

> It’s still against the law in the US to transmit on many bands without a license even if you build your own radio from scratch at home

Electromagnetic waves transit state lines pretty much constantly. Even though I'm in Texas I'll get radio waves from Oklahoma, Louisiana, and even Illinois from time to time.

> Talking at a distance has nothing inherently to do with commerce.

Talking at a distance does affect commerce when that talking at a distance interferes with other people trying to talk and conduct interstate commerce. Guess I'll have to state it again, electromagnetic waves transit state lines pretty much constantly.

And it would absolutely affect interstate commerce if every state decided on different frequencies for commercial FM radio, different frequencies for cell phones, different frequencies for TV signals, different encodings for those things, etc. imagine needing to buy a different radio for NY as TX or IL or CA. Or if you needed different cell phones as you traveled state lines.

> We basically punted on the 10th amendment with things like the FCC and DOE

People being illiterate definitely affects interstate commerce. People not being able to count definitely affects interstate commerce.

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

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post #209

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It’s still against the law in the US to transmit on many bands without a license even if you build your own radio from scratch at home. Talking at a distance has nothing inherently to do with commerce. We basically punted on the 10th amendment with things like the FCC and DOE (education, not energy).

> It’s still against the law in the US to transmit on many bands without a license even if you build your own radio from scratch at home Electromagnetic waves transit state lines pretty much constantly. Even though I'm in Texas I'll get radio waves from Oklahoma, Louisiana, and even Illinois from time to time. > Talking at a distance has nothing inherently to do with commerce. Talking at a distance does affect commer…

> People being illiterate definitely affects interstate commerce. People not being able to count definitely affects interstate commerce.

Fetuses that get aborted might have grown up to be residents of another state who would've bought products there.

Marijuana sold to medical patients in one state may end up in another, reducing alcohol sales.

Socialized medicine programs offered by state governments might lessen the profits of insurance and pharmaceutical firms that are headquartered out of state.

California's labeling laws result in labels that end up on products sold in other states increasing the costs of those products.

State level environmental regulations may impact publicly traded companies and thus the stock market generally, and thereby people in other states. (This one could be used to justify basically anything)

A higher minimum wage in one state may attract workers from out of state.

Educating children about sex might reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies and thus accelerate demographic collapse, harming the economy more generally.

A gay pride parade might result in social media posts shown in other states with ads next to it.

The passage or enforcement of any law might result in news stories in other states on for profit media outlets. Similarly the lack of such a law may result less work for journalists as they can't write about a law that doesn't exist.

What was even the point of the 10th amendment if it was intended to be interpreted as it is today? It seems to do nothing.

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

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>Despite the hate on the promo What does "hate on the promo" mean?

Offering a "30 day free trial" doesn't really feel like a gift as much as it's an ad for the service trying to onboard customers. It's not a bad thing per se, just kind of in poor taste.

I agree. Giving the equipment out for free*, 30 days free, and no return charge would smell of true disaster relief rather than promo.

* perhaps equipment charge after 30 days, or a half off on the equipment after 30 days. Those would very feel reasonable.

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

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> He likes to help people if he can come out as a hero, otherwise you’re a "pedo" I made reference to exactly this if you read carefully. I actually think this rejection is an inflection point in his behavior. He ought to have been more gracious and received the rejection without hurt to his ego (and reacting as he did). I think since then he’s wrongly viewed that event as ‘No good deed goes unpunished’ and become mo…

> I made reference to exactly this if you read carefully.

> Hopefully he’s grown since then

Elon Musk has been in the news pretty regularly between the Thai cave rescue and now. I am not sure how someone could have an opinion on the man that has somehow been suspended in time since 2018, but if you’re unaware of what he’s been up to since then here are some updates regarding his personal growth.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/twitter-elon-musk-dom-lucre-...

https://www.salon.com/2024/09/27/misinformation-superspreade...

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/18/media/elon-musk-trump-rally-b...

Re: Starlink offering free internet access for 30 days for Hurricane Helene victims

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The bandwidth is limited on a per-cell basis, somewhere around 700Gbps max per cell. Actual capacity at any time is somewhat less. If everyone is actively using theirs, you might get single digit Mbps or less at cell capacity limits, even if there aren't bottlenecks elsewhere. It's fine , but it's highly dependent on having extremely low customer density. The system doesn't work well if everyone is using it all the t…

> 700Gbps max per cell > having extremely low customer density I think you need to define “extremely low” because 700gbps is plenty for several thousand people. And the question was specifically about everyone in rural areas switching. If you go by rural being That sounds fine considering standard consumer usage patterns mean you’ll get 10x that as an individual even in peak times. That’s also assuming maximum densit…

Our power company linked fiber provider with 18,000+ customers only has a 10gb backhaul. They are by far the best of the 3 fiber options I have access to.
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