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Re: Math from Three to Seven

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Post by aebtebeten » Fri, Oct 04, 2024, 6:27 PM UTC

gradschoolfail wrote: post #210

aebtebeten wrote: post #209

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At first there were the Habsburgs — "and then there were none". livestock raiding + pikes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_raiding#/media/File:Sch... (local on local domestic* feuds are well attested, both in legend and in architecture, but very little gets built these days with defensibility as a prime consideration) I'll have to reread, but (having just arisen this morning) even caucasians were known for their…

It does, but imho the interesting part is the usage divergence , mosquito (midge?) vs fly (dialectal vs std german) Thx for the raiding article, all the forexes in one place :) And dont forget the (old) florentine skyscrapers, derived from germanic feuds? (G+G)

true, the good old HRE, which was none of the three...

incidentally, while looking for NdBdM's foxes and lions, I ran into something else:

when I'd bounced off of Moldbug, there was one thing that seemed to be an actual claim, and not just vibe: that neo-nazis don't ever go around saying that the historical Nazis had just implemented it wrong; they weren't doing true Nazism. At the time, I couldn't think of any counterexamples, but I've recently learned Leo Strauss is one:

https://balkin.blogspot.com/2006/07/letter_16.html#:~:text=t...

It was only 1933, and I only have it in translation, but still: he seems to me to be claiming to intend to argue that the historical Nazis were not behaving according to true "fascist, authoritarian, and imperial principles"?

Re: Math from Three to Seven

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Post by wizzwizz4 » Sat, Oct 05, 2024, 8:54 PM UTC

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #204

eru wrote: post #198

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For a counterpoint: a friend of mine works at Google, and as an excellent SRE who also happens to be female she's steadily getting opportunities thrown her way; especially invites to speak at external conferences and other internal events. She's also gotten promotions. It helps that she's very competent, but she didn't have to work extra to be noticed by the organisation.

Systematic discrimination isn't the same as universal discrimination. If we're trading second-hand anecdotes, I've got a couple dozen of trans women programmers no longer receiving promotions despite flawless performance reviews, and half a dozen trans men programmers suddenly receiving credit for work they were previously ignored for. That's as close to a controlled test as I can think of – though, obviously, marred…

Now I'm playing a game of "find the earliest such anecdote". Here's one from 2006: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060714174545.h...

> Where Summers sees innate differences, Barres sees discrimination. As a young woman […] he said he was discouraged from setting his sights on MIT, where he ended up receiving his bachelor’s degree. Once there, he was told that a boyfriend must have solved a hard math problem that he had answered and that had stumped most men in the class. After he began living as a man in 1997, Barres overheard another scientist say, “Ben Barres gave a great seminar today, but his work is much better than his sister’s work.”

Re: Math from Three to Seven

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Post by gradschoolfail » Sat, Oct 05, 2024, 11:56 PM UTC

aebtebeten wrote: post #211

gradschoolfail wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does, but imho the interesting part is the usage divergence , mosquito (midge?) vs fly (dialectal vs std german) Thx for the raiding article, all the forexes in one place :) And dont forget the (old) florentine skyscrapers, derived from germanic feuds? (G+G)

true, the good old HRE, which was none of the three... incidentally, while looking for NdBdM's foxes and lions, I ran into something else: when I'd bounced off of Moldbug, there was one thing that seemed to be an actual claim, and not just vibe: that neo-nazis don't ever go around saying that the historical Nazis had just implemented it wrong; they weren't doing true Nazism. At the time, I couldn't think of any count…

Moldbug.. i was going to point you at Marinetti, to see if he might provoke the same reactions.. (inconsistent viber, fraternized with Fascists, but really into educating the masses?)

Flies vs mosquitoes: flies are sometimes presented as a source of harmless comedy (maggots as medicine), but genocide (latinate vibes?) is acceptable for mosquitoes.

Re: Math from Three to Seven

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Post by 082349872349872 » Sun, Oct 06, 2024, 6:25 AM UTC

gradschoolfail wrote: post #213

aebtebeten wrote: post #211

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true, the good old HRE, which was none of the three... incidentally, while looking for NdBdM's foxes and lions, I ran into something else: when I'd bounced off of Moldbug, there was one thing that seemed to be an actual claim, and not just vibe: that neo-nazis don't ever go around saying that the historical Nazis had just implemented it wrong; they weren't doing true Nazism. At the time, I couldn't think of any count…

Moldbug.. i was going to point you at Marinetti, to see if he might provoke the same reactions.. (inconsistent viber, fraternized with Fascists, but really into educating the masses?) Flies vs mosquitoes: flies are sometimes presented as a source of harmless comedy (maggots as medicine), but genocide (latinate vibes?) is acceptable for mosquitoes.

Let me know when Moldbug has a cookbook: https://archive.org/details/marinetti-la-cucina-futurista-19...

Come to think of it, Marinetti may not have reached the heights himself, but we should give him credit for the assist[0]: not only Mayakovsky, but also Gibson[1,2].

For that matter, does Marinetti's habit of prefixing with aero- and claiming everything goes better with aluminium presage recent years' habit of suffixing with -coin and claiming everything goes better with AI?

Mozzies bite, which regular flies don't. But was the blue tail fly another example of "let's you and him fight"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCMCKhMsSjo

[0] funny that games like LoL give explicit credit for the assist but the popular view of mathematics ignores that factor? the link of a node, in graphspeak?

[1] even echoing down to Shnur & Glukoza: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuHbs3306RI&t=121s (russians love their chemistry references? is the city in the later flashback supposed to be marina bay Singapore?)

[2] and while Gibson concerns himself with "high tech low life" (a cyberpunk chengyu?), he explicitly leaves a place in his world which is the equivalent of Huxley's BNW islands; the rich kids are up in the orbital colonies: https://nss.org/wp-content/uploads/Bernal_Interior_AC76-0628...

EDIT: or a kid's book: https://www.amazon.com/Dubbie-Double-Headed-Eagle-Eduard-Hab...

(and there's kind of a horseshoe thing going on: the few high tend to be foxes, because keeping the many middle lions in check can't be done by force, but the even more numerous low have their own trickster gods [El-ahrairah, wily Odysseus, etc.] because the low of course never have force, but might've been naturally endowed with guile — the signifying monkey, lion, and elephant are simpler, with 3 actors, than the 4 actors of slave, master, blue tail fly, and horse)

Re: Math from Three to Seven

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Post by gradschoolfail » Sun, Oct 06, 2024, 7:19 AM UTC

082349872349872 wrote: post #214

gradschoolfail wrote: post #213

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Moldbug.. i was going to point you at Marinetti, to see if he might provoke the same reactions.. (inconsistent viber, fraternized with Fascists, but really into educating the masses?) Flies vs mosquitoes: flies are sometimes presented as a source of harmless comedy (maggots as medicine), but genocide (latinate vibes?) is acceptable for mosquitoes.

Let me know when Moldbug has a cookbook: https://archive.org/details/marinetti-la-cucina-futurista-19... Come to think of it, Marinetti may not have reached the heights himself, but we should give him credit for the assist[0]: not only Mayakovsky, but also Gibson[1,2]. For that matter, does Marinetti's habit of prefixing with aero- and claiming everything goes better with aluminium presage recent years' habit of suff…

[1] Mendeleev was the One, didnt see any monumental arches in the vid but the final victors appear to be 南蛮

[2] Elysium

prefix all with glass, append some with hole, claim nothing?

Re: Math from Three to Seven

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Post by 082349872349872 » Sun, Oct 06, 2024, 11:52 AM UTC

gradschoolfail wrote: post #215

082349872349872 wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me know when Moldbug has a cookbook: https://archive.org/details/marinetti-la-cucina-futurista-19... Come to think of it, Marinetti may not have reached the heights himself, but we should give him credit for the assist[0]: not only Mayakovsky, but also Gibson[1,2]. For that matter, does Marinetti's habit of prefixing with aero- and claiming everything goes better with aluminium presage recent years' habit of suff…

[1] Mendeleev was the One, didnt see any monumental arches in the vid but the final victors appear to be 南蛮 [2] Elysium prefix all with glass, append some with hole, claim nothing?

I wish I knew more; between the opening song and the presumably idiomatic[0] exchange between vixen and cub[1], it's probably obvious to anyone who knows if the Zhu-Zhu victors (compare 1:25!) are speaking 南蛮鴃舌[2] or not.

As for Elysium (2013), having watched the trailer and skimmed the synopsis and a review, it sounds exactly like the sort of movie a fox (or at least a maneless lion[3] who hires wolves assisted by vultures to do what his snake tells him to?) would want to show to all the rabbits (or hedgehogs or whatever creatures Machiavelli and Pareto think are below the foxes and lions): a hero's journey in which the One guy of Destiny getting in a physical fight saves everyone; if anyone in that world had been spending as much time knotting up nets as the characters in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_Margin#Plot seem to, it hadn't been obvious to the reviewer.

[0] are they chengyu? if not, they should be, like 高新低人(?).

[1] stepping back and preparing his nets speaks to a fox with lions on the payroll?

[2] Mencius (the original) had best watch out when accusing people of bird-speak; consider Qur'an 27:16, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conference_of_the_Birds#Sy...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood_(1973_film)#Voice_c...

EDIT: or maybe the flashback should've been https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=22.14364&mlon=113.56283&... ? I don't know my asian skylines well at all :(

Re: Math from Three to Seven

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Post by cassepipe » Sun, Oct 06, 2024, 6:56 PM UTC

flohofwoe wrote: post #76

girvo wrote: post #61

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To be fair, the US and Western Europe were a somewhat combined bloc wrt. trade and being allies. So in that respect the combined USSRs population is smaller? But purely US v USSR, the latter has always had more people

The SU and Eastern Europe countries were also such a 'combined block' though (both for trade via COMECON and militarily via the TFCMA (aka 'Warsaw Pact'). Although AFAIK Western Europe had a much higher population than the Eastern European socialist countries. But in general, the education and health care systems were usually the 'flag ships' with easy and free access for the 'working class' (which also means extreme…

I had never heard of a discrimination issue regarding soviet and affiliated healthcare systems. Care to elaborate ?

Re: Math from Three to Seven

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Post by gradschoolfail » Mon, Oct 07, 2024, 3:28 AM UTC

082349872349872 wrote: post #216

gradschoolfail wrote: post #215

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[1] Mendeleev was the One, didnt see any monumental arches in the vid but the final victors appear to be 南蛮 [2] Elysium prefix all with glass, append some with hole, claim nothing?

I wish I knew more; between the opening song and the presumably idiomatic[0] exchange between vixen and cub[1], it's probably obvious to anyone who knows if the Zhu-Zhu victors (compare 1:25!) are speaking 南蛮鴃舌[2] or not. As for Elysium (2013), having watched the trailer and skimmed the synopsis and a review, it sounds exactly like the sort of movie a fox (or at least a maneless lion[3] who hires wolves assisted by v…

Opening song is a nanban fave.. Jasmine Flower reminds one of soviet themes, everything in the vid is in fact quite soviet vorland culture? (including the nonrussian idioms, lionizing the (dubbie headed?) aquiline), just need to redraw the eyes/skin/apparel, insert appropriate song (Nanbans perhaps otoh prefer dogs think poodles, faux sansouci)

Its standard mandarin, but spoken not by a mandarin (nonrhotic, but also not taiwanese/shanghainese elite, ie most likely nanban, exiled from the mainland south coast, macao is a good port of call)

id=41670593 Anime studio is in HK, but signage in the anime is inconsistent. ( there was one Taichung ad?))

p=… refers to Aaronson’s blog.

Re: Math from Three to Seven

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Post by 082349872349872 » Mon, Oct 07, 2024, 6:16 AM UTC

gradschoolfail wrote: post #218

082349872349872 wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I knew more; between the opening song and the presumably idiomatic[0] exchange between vixen and cub[1], it's probably obvious to anyone who knows if the Zhu-Zhu victors (compare 1:25!) are speaking 南蛮鴃舌[2] or not. As for Elysium (2013), having watched the trailer and skimmed the synopsis and a review, it sounds exactly like the sort of movie a fox (or at least a maneless lion[3] who hires wolves assisted by v…

Opening song is a nanban fave.. Jasmine Flower reminds one of soviet themes, everything in the vid is in fact quite soviet vorland culture? (including the nonrussian idioms, lionizing the (dubbie headed?) aquiline), just need to redraw the eyes/skin/apparel, insert appropriate song (Nanbans perhaps otoh prefer dogs think poodles, faux sansouci) Its standard mandarin, but spoken not by a mandarin (nonrhotic, but also…

Given that one of the musical groups involved has famously sung about St. Pete[rsburg] but calls themselves by a prior name, the cultural resonance shouldn't surprise. (and I think I might recall an aquiline metaphor for those who got to Artek via swotting?)

Beyond eyes/skin/apparel, there are tattoos for the louche, which parallel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wnQ3Ow02yQ ?

Dogs as in the Venetian canine of St. Mark's?

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Re: Math from Three to Seven

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Post by gradschoolfail » Mon, Oct 07, 2024, 7:05 AM UTC

082349872349872 wrote: post #219

gradschoolfail wrote: post #218

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Opening song is a nanban fave.. Jasmine Flower reminds one of soviet themes, everything in the vid is in fact quite soviet vorland culture? (including the nonrussian idioms, lionizing the (dubbie headed?) aquiline), just need to redraw the eyes/skin/apparel, insert appropriate song (Nanbans perhaps otoh prefer dogs think poodles, faux sansouci) Its standard mandarin, but spoken not by a mandarin (nonrhotic, but also…

Given that one of the musical groups involved has famously sung about St. Pete[rsburg] but calls themselves by a prior name, the cultural resonance shouldn't surprise. (and I think I might recall an aquiline metaphor for those who got to Artek via swotting?) Beyond eyes/skin/apparel, there are tattoos for the louche, which parallel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wnQ3Ow02yQ ? Dogs as in the Venetian canine of St. Ma…

Venece in macao, piazza san marco is the best known one, right

I see. Fox and lion signify opposing virtues for me, and vices for thee, therefore designori should be vicinal/virtuous (wrt Pareto optimality)

Scrap that, everything is soviet save the attire, the lone vixen+cub mere pirates serving the soviet navy (note that HQ may well be refurbished Hotel Class underwater, ideal for refining cocaine, antagonists referencing to the americanized black widows, K-19 “Hiroshima”