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Launch HN: Modern Realty (YC S24) – AI Real Estate Agent for Home Buyers

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Re: Launch HN: Modern Realty (YC S24) – AI Real Estate Agent for Home Buyers

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This logic justifies any amount of fees. They can be excellent brokers and still not deserve $6000 (selling a $1M house) for maybe 40 hours of work as a very generous estimate.

It would be $60,000, not $6,000 but they don’t make $60K. They spit the commission, $30K and then there are other people (broker) that get paid out of that amount, call it $20K to the agent in that case, sometimes less if they gave their client a discount (again this happened all the time before the settlement, I know agents that offered .5% off for repeat clients or friends and family and that came wholly out of the…

> I find it ironic that on a technology forum people are so quick to jump to “agents aren’t worth it” with so many people think the same thing about software developers and/or their quotes for building software.

This isn't exactly an honest comparison. The vast majority of software engineers do not make a percentage of the earnings of the product they're developing. If I work for a company making 150k/year, I don't suddenly start making 300k/year if the company sells my software for twice as much. Likewise, I can't charge twice as much for consulting just because the company I'm consulting for makes twice as much money.

An agent makes a commission based only on the value of the house, which incentivizes them to sell more expensive houses. When I purchased my house, I did most of the work (found the house, hired a home inspector, found my own mortgage, used my own lawyer) - the agent existed because it was basically required, and made 11k for roughly 15 hours of work. If I was wealthier, and could have afforded a more expensive house, they could have made 20k for 15 hours of work. In both cases, they did the exact same amount of work (minimal); why did they make more in the second scenario?

Now that I know how the system works, I will be avoiding agents if at all possible when I sell my current house and buy my next. They're about as useful as used car salesmen, but somehow have convinced the entire continent that the housing market will fall apart without them.

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The texting service we provide works similarly to texting a regular realtor. You can text it "Is a $1200 HOA fee per month high for san francisco?" and it will do the searches and compare the local properties to tell you an answer

So do you actually do real estate agent things: make contracts, review contracts, communicate with your client, negotiate on behalf of your client? Or are you an information service specializing in real estate information?

I'm a licensed agent in CA and am particularly interested in the answer to this question.

There's very strict regulation around unlicensed individuals performing activities requiring a license (negotiating, showing property, etc). Thus I would be surprised if they have AI doing this for a client!

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Best of luck. I’m a commercial real estate professional who has spent time as a broker, lender, and private equity investor. Residential definitely is a lot More of a ridiculous market. But ultimately as an agent, you get hired to work with mostly irrational actors (sellers and buyers). As someone who is very interested in AI and taught myself how to code (I don’t know any other real estate people who know anything a…

> But ultimately as an agent, you get hired to work with mostly irrational actors (sellers and buyers).

I don’t think you’re making the argument you think you are. If an agent is there to be the rational for the irrational, then an AI listing agent talking to an AI buying agent are two rational beings getting more done than ever before, on behalf of sellers and buyers who are free to be themselves.

Re: Launch HN: Modern Realty (YC S24) – AI Real Estate Agent for Home Buyers

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The ludicrous 6% fee is whats going to drive adoption by end users and in turn by brokers. Move that fee to 1% for buyer agent and you have a massive market.

It's a corrupt market imo, like car dealerships - they work to legislate their continued existence. Any market structured where you have some people doing many transactions and some doing few ends up skewed to benefit the person doing many while screwing the person doing few. It's true with realtors, IPOs with investment banks, car dealerships, funeral homes etc. and it's a hard problem to fix.

How else would a car manufacturer put staff and inventory in every town across the country? They would either build dealerships themselves or franchise it out. Their cost structures don't cover this brick and mortar presence currently so costs would rise across the board.

Car dealerships are mostly middlemen between customer, manufacturer, and state government for registration and tax collection.

I just can't see how you eliminate the need to have locations to store and move around 5000lb metal objects without them.

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> When the National Association of Realtors signed a landmark $418 million settlement in March, economists and academics predicted that the deal — which included an agreement to upend key practices concerning how real estate agents are paid — would create the most significant shift to the industry in a century. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/16/realestate/realtor-commis...

We are already seeing the shift in practice. The changes went into effect just over a month ago (August 17th).

What exactly are we seeing?

Re: Launch HN: Modern Realty (YC S24) – AI Real Estate Agent for Home Buyers

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I welcome this wholeheartedly. I recently sold my first home and was frankly disgusted by how large the fee is for what my realtor did. I eventually went For Sale By Owner and will never go back to using a realtor. Zillow/redfin already replace the search and comparables part of the process. What realtors currently provide is the “white glove service” which helps first time buyer/sellers feel good about one of the bi…

I've purchased two condos and one house in the Seattle area. My first condo I bought remotely and my agent toured a couple of places for me. Agent was very valuable in this case as I was in medical school trying to buy a place for residency.

Second condo I found myself and my agent merely facilitated the transaction. She hired a home inspector who missed a couple things. Not saying I would've caught them with my own inspector, but when your agent is chummy with an inspector, you can't really call them out on their mistakes.

When it came to looking for houses, I saw a few with my agent, but the one I ended up buying I found myself on Redfin. I went to an open house myself and just told my agent I wanted to make an offer.

Of note, my agent got paid the least for the first condo (because it was the cheapest), but she was most valuable in that transaction. The other two transactions just required the agent to fill out the paperwork, yet they got paid much more. There has to be some relationship between the amount of work done and the cost of the buyer's agent, not just a percentage of the sale price.

Re: Launch HN: Modern Realty (YC S24) – AI Real Estate Agent for Home Buyers

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This says to me, "we are just like other realtors" and makes me less inclined to use your services. Transparency is a killer feature for realtors that would set them apart from the masses. AI is a nice to have feature. > We have the same pricing model - negotiable Nobody wants to start off with an adversarial discussion with the person they are trying to hire to help them. Also, I'll point out that on your front page…

True, I'll update the website to reflect our updated pricing model

FWIW services like Redfin list their fees right upfront.

Re: Launch HN: Modern Realty (YC S24) – AI Real Estate Agent for Home Buyers

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I am actually your target market. We are looking to buy a house early next year. But, one thing that put me off is that you don’t list what fees you charge, is it flat rate or a percentage, ..etc. In the FAQ I see this but no mention of the standard terms of the buyers agreement: > Do I need to sign a buyer agreement? > We will let you know if you need to sign a buyer agreement. You will for sure need to sign a buyer…

Other relators do not put their fee pricing on their websites so we decided to follow suit. We have the same pricing model - negotiable. But we provide better service.

I’m curious about the “market charges X so I’ll charge X too but with a better service.” I’ve seen this elsewhere, too.

Isn’t the point of replacing a human agent with software that your margins are better and can charge less to the end user?

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Raffi doesn't scale. Are you going to hire more Raffis?

There is only one Raffi. -Raffi Edit: AI is currently being coded up to mimic my behavior/tone/advice/etc.

So like AI Gilfoyle

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We let you drive your own process and interpret real estate data with AI. We target customers who are looking for these in their Realtor

That doesn't in any way address the question the other commenter was asking?

Perhaps he meant better user experience.
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