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Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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post #95

I used to love eating octopus, but since I've learned so much about their intelligence, I have not been able to bring myself to do so, anymore. I have the luxury of choice. There are many, in this world, that do not.

I doubt there are many people in the world whose diets rely on eating octopuses. You'd need either an environment that had octopuses in abundance despite having little of everything else, or a selective method of fishing that primarily caught octopuses.

Octopuses are usually specifically fished [Cephalopods. Ecology and Fisheries, Peter Boyle, Paul Rodhouse. Chapter 16].

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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post #22

aside: me after reading the headline: Shouldn't that be Octopii? But no! "The plural form octopii is doubly incorrect. Firstly, octopus derives from Greek, not Latin; its etymologically-consistent plural form is octopodes. Secondly, even if octopus were a second-declension Latin noun, the plural form would be octopi; in the correct plurals radii and gladii, with which octopii is analogous, the first ‘i’s are part of…

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Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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post #22

aside: me after reading the headline: Shouldn't that be Octopii? But no! "The plural form octopii is doubly incorrect. Firstly, octopus derives from Greek, not Latin; its etymologically-consistent plural form is octopodes. Secondly, even if octopus were a second-declension Latin noun, the plural form would be octopi; in the correct plurals radii and gladii, with which octopii is analogous, the first ‘i’s are part of…

While I'm all for a history lesson (and the double-I octopii is indeed simply incorrect) I take issue with anyone insisting that "octopi" is wrong: 1. Language is neither static nor a series of rules to be blindly followed. The way a word was pluralized 1400 years ago has limited relevance today. 2. As noted just about everywhere, "octopodes" looks insane in any modern English sentence because we don't pluralize any…

This is a strange argument to make against "octopuses". Break from our history; use the English standard; we are not speaking Latin ... therefore it should be octopi!? What? How about this: it's OK to use the traditional form if it's still commonly understood, but otherwise let's try to use a "standard English" form. Those are your choices: traditional for the word, or standard. Since "octopodes" is awkward and not really ever used, we say "octopuses". Why would you convert to a false-traditional version?

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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post #173

The octopuses I spoke to strenuously deny the fish abuse accusations. "It's true that our innovative management technique - Continuous Tactile Feedback - can look a little rough to the untrained eye, but our Food Collection Engineers are actually very well treated."

Yes but I've read the reports in the Annals of Oceanography and the sub-director General of Fishing Affairs said it is happening and the only reason they haven't been able to pursue it is that the dolphins keep vetoing any real measures at every yearly convention. It's a bit of a fishy subject.

And that's why it's important to vote! #BlueWhale2024

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

#216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Octopuses seem to have quite a bit of independent cognition in each of their arms, which are wrangled by the central brain. Yes, that's inherent in the design. All grey matter (optimized for local intercommunication), no white matter (optimized for sending signals between regions). Each arm has its own ganglion ("CPU") and the central unit struggles to keep up with these and keep them coordinated.

living brains are not "CPUs"

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Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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post #201
post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been able to give up eating cephalopods, but pigs are too delicious to give up.

I try to eat meat to minimize the formula of: cruelty_cow = IntModifier * Animal_Intelligence /(AmountOfProvidedMeat/Deaths) * FrequencyOfEatingThisAnimal Solve for: Min (cruelty_cow + cruelty_pig + cruelty_octopus + ...) Where AmountOfProvidedMeat > NeededMeatForHealthyDiet And Cost * AmountOfProvidedMeat I've generally found that maximizing on Fish, Chicken, and Cow (in that order) seems to be the best bet. I tend…

Modulo some planning and adjusting of recipes, meat is unnecessary for a healthy diet, and a vegan diet tends towards 0 cruelty.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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post #22

aside: me after reading the headline: Shouldn't that be Octopii? But no! "The plural form octopii is doubly incorrect. Firstly, octopus derives from Greek, not Latin; its etymologically-consistent plural form is octopodes. Secondly, even if octopus were a second-declension Latin noun, the plural form would be octopi; in the correct plurals radii and gladii, with which octopii is analogous, the first ‘i’s are part of…

While I'm all for a history lesson (and the double-I octopii is indeed simply incorrect) I take issue with anyone insisting that "octopi" is wrong: 1. Language is neither static nor a series of rules to be blindly followed. The way a word was pluralized 1400 years ago has limited relevance today. 2. As noted just about everywhere, "octopodes" looks insane in any modern English sentence because we don't pluralize any…

Yes, but 'octopodes' is really neat, and definitely a [nerdy] conversation starter.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

#219

Literally a sucker punch. It doesn't seem like true cooperation as they don't share in the catch. I also didn't see any measurements of how much they caught versus hunting alone.

In the NPR article on it, the researcher says it is most likely beneficial for the fish because the octopus can pull prey out of crevices that the fish can't usually reach, so there is more food than either would have alone.

The article doesn't say that the octopus shares the catch though. Maybe the fish don't benefit.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

#220
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the octopus it is. Of course, they have many more arms to punch with so this might not translate well to management of humans.

Eight direct reports.

Could humans get up to four reports if we learn how to efficiently kick as well as punch? :thinking_face:
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