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Re: Learning to Reason with LLMs

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They partnered with Microsoft, remember?

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Re: Learning to Reason with LLMs

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Sounds great, but so does their "new flagship model that can reason across audio, vision, and text in real time" announced in May. [0] [0] https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/

This one [o1/Strawberry] is available. I have it, though it's limited to 30 messages/week in ChatGPT Plus.

How do you get access? I don’t have it and am a ChatGPT plus subscriber.

Re: Learning to Reason with LLMs

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post #183
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2018 - gpt1 2019 - gpt2 2020 - gpt3 2022 - gpt3.5 2023 - gpt4 2023 - gpt4-turbo 2024 - gpt-4o 2024 - o1 Did OpenAI hire Google's product marketing team in recent years?

One of them would have been named gpt-5, but people forget what an absolute panic there was about gpt-5 for quite a few people. That caused Altman to reassure people they would not release 'gpt-5' any time soon. The funny thing is, after a certain amount of time, the gpt-5 panic eventually morphed into people basically begging for gpt-5. But he already said he wouldn't release something called 'gpt-5'. Another funny…

This doesn't feel like GPT-5, the training data cutoff is Oct 2023 which is the same as the other GPT-4 models and it doesn't seem particularly "larger" as much as "runs differently". Of course it's all speculation one way or the other.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This one [o1/Strawberry] is available. I have it, though it's limited to 30 messages/week in ChatGPT Plus.

How do you get access? I don’t have it and am a ChatGPT plus subscriber.

I'm using the Android ChatGPT app (and am in the Android Beta program, though not sure if that matters)

Re: Learning to Reason with LLMs

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post #87

Reading through the Chain of Thought for the provided Cipher example (go to the example, click "Show Chain of Thought") is kind of crazy...it literally spells out every thinking step that someone would go through mentally in their head to figure out the cipher (even useless ones like "Hmm"!). It really seems like slowing down and writing down the logic it's using and reasoning over that makes it better at logic, simi…

Even though there's of course no guarantee of people getting these chain of thought traces, or whatever one is to call them, I can imagine these being very useful for people learning competitive mathematics, because it must in fact give the full reasoning, and transformers in themselves aren't really that smart, usually, so it's probably feasible for a person with very normal intellectual abilities to reproduce these traces with practice.

Re: Learning to Reason with LLMs

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Just did some preliminary testing on decrypting some ROT cyphertext which would have been viable for a human on paper. The output was pretty disappointing: lots of "workish" steps creating letter counts, identifying common words, etc, but many steps were incorrect or not followed up on. In the end, it claimed to check its work and deliver an incorrect solution that did not satisfy the previous steps.

I'm not one to judge AI on pratfalls, and cyphers are a somewhat adversarial task. However, there was no aspect of the reasoning that seemed more advanced or consistent than previous chain-of-thought demos I've seen. So the main proof point we have is the paper, and I'm not sure how I'd go from there to being able to trust this on the kind of task it is intended for. Do others have patterns by which they get utility from chain of thought engines?

Separately, chain of thought outputs really make me long for tool use, because the LLM is often forced to simulate algorithmic outputs. It feels like a commercial chain-of-thought solution like this should have a standard library of functions it can use for 100% reliability on things like letter counts.

Re: Learning to Reason with LLMs

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The progress in AI is incredibly depressing, at this point I don't think there's much to look forward to in life. It's sad that due to unearned hubris and a complete lack of second-order thinking we are automating ourselves out of existence. EDIT: I understand you guys might not agree with my comments. But don't you thinking that flagging them is going a bit too far?

Eh this makes me very, very excited for the future. I want results, I don’t care if they come from humans or AI. That being said we might all be out of jobs soon…
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