Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

matthewball.co

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

211–220 of 878 posts

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

#211

Post by brightball »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #190
braza wrote: post #118

Not a moralistic take, but one issue that interests me is the second-order impacts associated with the long tail of producers in OF who do not make a career from it. With traditional adult entertainment, creators are aware of the social ramifications (e.g., social stigma, familial ostracism, difficulty dealing with the future, and so on), and there is a decent theoretical economic framework to measure that. I am not…

> the additional toll it will take on the creators in terms of social ostracism, future prospects, future opportunities, and mental health. Is it such a big problem nowadays as it used to be? My impression is that society in general, and younger people in particular, have become more tolerant of such things; at least in Northern Europe.

I see discussions on Reddit periodically where it makes long term relationships complicated.

I’m an old married guy, but I can’t imagine dating and then finding out that the person you were involved with was doing that type of thing. In a friend group I wouldn’t even blink.

Based on the conversations I see, this seems to be a common experience.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

#213

Post by Rhapso »

brightball wrote: post #211
kwhitefoot wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the additional toll it will take on the creators in terms of social ostracism, future prospects, future opportunities, and mental health. Is it such a big problem nowadays as it used to be? My impression is that society in general, and younger people in particular, have become more tolerant of such things; at least in Northern Europe.

I see discussions on Reddit periodically where it makes long term relationships complicated. I’m an old married guy, but I can’t imagine dating and then finding out that the person you were involved with was doing that type of thing. In a friend group I wouldn’t even blink. Based on the conversations I see, this seems to be a common experience.

Welcome to millennial reality, we don't begrudge anything non-harmful that people had to do to make ends meet.

I know too many people with masters degrees and student loans working food service to not think OF is smart if you can find your niche.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

#214

Post by GaryNumanVevo »

listless wrote: post #90

Is anyone willing to admit they subscribe to an OF and explain why over the free pornography alternatives that most of the internet is full of?

None of these commenters actually use OnlyFans, because there's literally a free tier option to subscribe. You still need a credit card to sign up because they obviously want to reduce the friction for subscribing or paying for extra content. I've seen a lot of models that will use Twitter > Free OF > Paid OF funnel. Twitter is mostly soft-core / flirty, Free OF has some nudity, typically no videos, and the Paid OF is where most of explicit content is.

Revenue wise, you'll make a lot more money tailoring content to a small group of users who will pay for custom content / live cams etc than having any mass appeal with small donations. The large social media funnel is mostly there to get model's content out there to find the whales.

Context: I have a side business deploying chat LLMs for OnlyFans models for fans to "talk" to that's currently at 65k/MRR. It definitely helps with user retention, as models who chat to their fans will have a 2x or 3x spend rate per fan.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

#215

Post by defrost »

prmoustache wrote: post #207
braza wrote: post #118

Not a moralistic take, but one issue that interests me is the second-order impacts associated with the long tail of producers in OF who do not make a career from it. With traditional adult entertainment, creators are aware of the social ramifications (e.g., social stigma, familial ostracism, difficulty dealing with the future, and so on), and there is a decent theoretical economic framework to measure that. I am not…

OTOH this is not the same as "VHS" porn of the past decades. A few decades ago, there weren't that many "productions", performers were much fewer and some porn performers name were known by anyone, regardless if you had seen porn with them staring or not. A person getting out of the business and trying to make a new career would have a high chance of meeting people, especially men, in real life who might have seen at…

> So there is a good chance you can still have a career alongside it or switch from OF to a non sex related career easily.

I have no comment on the morals and ethics but as far as modern technology goes; most if not all of OnlyFans finds its way to darkweb | pirate | hoarder megasites where there's always a few because-we-can obsessed techlords training facial recognition, gait recognition, and seeding AI generated VR porn engines, etc.

We can be certain that any woman with an OnlyFans portfolio will face that being dragged up later in their life if they are at all slightly public.

They do have the modern available hand wave explaination of "deepfake by weird ex" that becomes more and more believable each passing day.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

#216

Post by graemep »

prmoustache wrote: post #207
braza wrote: post #118

Not a moralistic take, but one issue that interests me is the second-order impacts associated with the long tail of producers in OF who do not make a career from it. With traditional adult entertainment, creators are aware of the social ramifications (e.g., social stigma, familial ostracism, difficulty dealing with the future, and so on), and there is a decent theoretical economic framework to measure that. I am not…

OTOH this is not the same as "VHS" porn of the past decades. A few decades ago, there weren't that many "productions", performers were much fewer and some porn performers name were known by anyone, regardless if you had seen porn with them staring or not. A person getting out of the business and trying to make a new career would have a high chance of meeting people, especially men, in real life who might have seen at…

There must still be a substantial risk that someone would find out at some point? Once one person knows gossip spreads.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

#218

Post by graemep »

habinero wrote: post #141
alt227 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not about gender or sex. This is about any person creating damage for their future selves online. Whether you like it or not, people running businesses and hiring people, or school teachers etc, have opinions and views of their own. These factor into their decisions when they are interacting with you through daily life. If somebody who takes a dim view of promiscuity sees that you have an only fans account, t…

That's true for every part of the human experience. People discriminate because of religion, etc. Sounds like you care too much about what other people think of you. Anyways, my point is this sort of thing is rapidly becoming something nobody cares about, and that's due to feminism and it's a good thing.

> People discriminate because of religion, etc

Which is illegal in most places.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

#219

Post by toyg »

djtango wrote: post #198
beaglesss wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out an absurd fraction of those 300k is just straight up money laundering. Who is actually gonna be able to verify the value of someone allegedly showing their tits to a whale at 3am? The fact this all passed through traditional financial networks with a clean and reportable earnings report at the end is just pure gold. OF is like the wet dream of a drug dealer or whoever else with a b…

I agree with what you say but we know enough about youtubers and mobile gaming to safely assume that the numbers in this space are wild. I remember on Pewdiepie's first ever charity YouTube stream he was printing thousands per second via donos

Who would have thought that all those big numbers in TV deals were actually underestimated by the billions. The general public is even more desperate/gullible than we ever considered possible. And OF and YT are just the beginning.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

#220

Post by defrost »

paganel wrote: post #212
rrr_oh_man wrote: post #189

It's really interesting to read the comments here — I would not have expected this type of moralistic attitude from such a large share of commenters.

[flagged]

Not all moral codes align.

A Man's got to have a code https://old.reddit.com/r/philosophy/comments/t3ptd/about_the...

Post reply on HN