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Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by mbirth »

mbwgh wrote: post #180
ta988 wrote: post #168

I have been using Kagi for a while now. Something I have noticed recently is that it ignores a lot more of the words in my search queries, I felt the same thing with google over time, it shows results it thinks I want not the things I want.

+"Searching" +"Like" +"This" works for me. Whenever I try this with Google, I can't seem to get it to work though. According to [0], it is not an official search operator anymore. 0 - https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?hl=en

Just using quotes usually was enough to make these words/phrases “required”. However, I believe there was a change (last year?) where they now sprinkle in other “relevant” results.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by __jonas »

ochronus wrote: post #210
__jonas wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wanted to like Kagi, I'm onboard with paying for search, but I've had had a big issue with its speed when doing the trial to be honest, am I the only one bothered by this? Perhaps this is because I'm in Europe and it's faster in the US? A search request to Kagi seems to take around two seconds for me (shows as ~1s in the Kagi UI), it just feels really unpleasant compared to Google, I'm used to firing of a co…

I can second the 2s-ish response time (just did a couple of measurements) from Germany. Doesn't bother me, though.

Ah I’m in Germany too!

Interesting, as I see a lot of other comments from Europeans saying they don’t notice this delay, maybe it’s Germany-specific?

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by TeMPOraL »

ochronus wrote: post #210
__jonas wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wanted to like Kagi, I'm onboard with paying for search, but I've had had a big issue with its speed when doing the trial to be honest, am I the only one bothered by this? Perhaps this is because I'm in Europe and it's faster in the US? A search request to Kagi seems to take around two seconds for me (shows as ~1s in the Kagi UI), it just feels really unpleasant compared to Google, I'm used to firing of a co…

I can second the 2s-ish response time (just did a couple of measurements) from Germany. Doesn't bother me, though.

Same for me in Poland right now - it takes around a second more for Kagi to produce the result than Google (with the delay happening after the interface of results page is shown). Doesn't bother me either.

What does bother me is the occasional failure to load anything at all, solvable with F5 key. But, being able to rank pages, or rewrite reddit.com to old.reddit.com more than compensates for this.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by klez »

inquirerGeneral wrote: post #162
DoughnutHole wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That disregards the fact that facts change over time. If you google “best DSLR camera reddit” it’s much less valuable if the results are 5 years old, even if they’re LLM free - the cameras on the market may very well have changed in that timeframe.

What? Old reddit isn't using old facts. I skimmed down and if this was about Kagu indexing being out of date then sorry I just realized that

Not "Old reddit" as in https://old.reddit.com. "Old Reddit" as in "Older stuff on reddit before they gave access only to Google".

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by protimewaster »

recursive wrote: post #47
traceroute66 wrote: post #44

I recently tried Kagi and I struggled to see the value. For many queries side-by-side with Startpage it delivered the same results word-for-word (sure you get a few sponsored links top-3 of Startpage but its no big deal to scroll past those). For other things, it was just plain annoying, e.g. "newest $type restaurants in $large_city" half the results on the first page were from 10 years ago (e.g. dated 2014). I mean…

> but its no big deal to scroll past those For some of us it is. If your search engine's revenue model is based on advertising to its users, their relationship is fundamentally adversarial. This affects all of their decisions, in ways that are sometimes hard to identify. Witness the slow decline of google search result ads. If users are the direct source of revenue, then everyone's interests are aligned. Also, I, and…

I don't think it's necessarily the case that interests are aligned just because users are the direct source of revenue. Many services that rely on users as a direct source of revenue still have interest alignment issues for various reasons.

For example, I don't want to log into or provide payment information to my search provider, because I don't want to voluntarily provide personal information. Compared to Kagi, I can use traditional ad-based search in a relatively anonymous way.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by ziddoap »

carlosjobim wrote: post #169
ziddoap wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And unlike DDG, the quality of the results is actually great. Any chance you can expand on this? I've used DDG for years and find the results great, but maybe we just query for different things. Is there any specific topics that you find DDG is bad at but Kagi is good at?

> Any chance you can expand on this? Why do you ask people instead of trying it and finding out if you like it or not? They have a trial of 100 free searches. This is a little bit like asking a coffee drinker "explain why I should drink coffee". It's better to try for yourself and see if you like it.

Why would I ask, on a forum for conversation, about another persons experience?

Yeah, you're right, weird of me to do that.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by andreagrandi »

__jonas wrote: post #128
cube2222 wrote: post #14

To repeat myself from a recent HN thread: I've been using Kagi for a while (almost two years now!) and it's been nothing but excellent! Lenses are very useful (Reddit lens is on every second search), and I personally really like the AI features they are working on. The new more advanced assistant which is able to do searches, which can also be constrained to lenses, and lets you pick an arbitrary model, is excellent,…

I really wanted to like Kagi, I'm onboard with paying for search, but I've had had a big issue with its speed when doing the trial to be honest, am I the only one bothered by this? Perhaps this is because I'm in Europe and it's faster in the US? A search request to Kagi seems to take around two seconds for me (shows as ~1s in the Kagi UI), it just feels really unpleasant compared to Google, I'm used to firing of a co…

I'm based in Italy and my lag is very low:

Status Connected to: EUROPE-WEST2 Network latency: 47ms

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by joshstrange »

Modified3019 wrote: post #207
__jonas wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wanted to like Kagi, I'm onboard with paying for search, but I've had had a big issue with its speed when doing the trial to be honest, am I the only one bothered by this? Perhaps this is because I'm in Europe and it's faster in the US? A search request to Kagi seems to take around two seconds for me (shows as ~1s in the Kagi UI), it just feels really unpleasant compared to Google, I'm used to firing of a co…

I’m a US based user, I’ve never noticed a difference in speed between Kagi and Google. If there is one it’s below my threshold for annoyance. You may consider reaching out to them about what you are seeing, it might be something they could investigate and resolve if they know about it.

US Kagi user here

I can confirm that the search is randomly slower than it should be. Sometimes hanging indefinitely and I have to refresh.

The added second or so to search is manageable but noticeable for sure.

To be fair/clear, it’s often unnoticeable but when it does hang it drives me crazy.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by probst »

__jonas wrote: post #212
ochronus wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can second the 2s-ish response time (just did a couple of measurements) from Germany. Doesn't bother me, though.

Ah I’m in Germany too! Interesting, as I see a lot of other comments from Europeans saying they don’t notice this delay, maybe it’s Germany-specific?

I am also based out of Germany, and experience the lag too. I find it very annoying actually, to the point where I am contemplating switching. The lag isn't always there though...
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