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Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by hnburnsy »

rbalicki wrote: post #6

Genuine question: What is stopping some small percent of drivers from installing cameras and using ML to identify cars driving dangerously (e.g. speeding, running reds, changing multiple lanes at once, etc.), and when their license plate is identifiable, finding and informing their insurance company? If even a small subset of users did this, and insurers did something with this information, it would substantially dis…

> Genuine question: What is stopping some small percent of drivers from installing cameras and using ML to identify cars driving dangerously (e.g. speeding, running reds, changing multiple lanes at once, etc.), and when their license plate is identifiable, finding and informing their insurance company?

GM is already doing this, look it up.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by dylan604 »

mdorazio wrote: post #94
dylan604 wrote: post #73

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I don't have to make arrangements to go get my home when it is searched. Also, if you're searching my house, more than likely, I'm directly involved in something. They don't break into my house to get my Ring footage, which is much more equivalent in your attempt equating these disparate concepts. You've now made an innocent civilian incur ridiculous fees to get their car out of impound when there was no reason to im…

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> You seem to be opposed

No, I'm suggesting that there are other ways to get to the footage than just impounding an innocent person's car. Leaving someone stranded when they've done nothing wrong is absolutely a dick move. It's not like they can leave a note in the space where you left the car. There's also no signage with a phone number of a towing company. You don't find out your car wasn't stolen until you call to report your car stolen.

Again, they could quite easily boot your car and have a patrol unit wait for you to return. Or not boot the car, but still have a patrol unit wait. They have the license plate so they can look up the owner. They could try to contact that owner. There are so many other things to do than tow someone's car and leaving them stranded. The fact we are so willingly okay with the cops stealing your car is very strange to me.

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Post by FireBeyond »

iwishiknewlisp wrote: post #150
IncreasePosts wrote: post #61

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It's not clear to me how you can claim most of these drivers don't have insurance. Also. Nothing is stopping Karen's from reporting things right now. So what if they do? If you've done nothing wrong then the reviewer would just trash it. And probably put Karen's reports in the "immediately discard" pile in the future if she sends in frivolous claims all the time.

Around 10-30% of drivers in the United States don't have car insurance depending on the state. It really depends on the state on how strict they are with car insurance. My state is very lax and they don't even really check at the DMV. The fine for not having car insurance is also only ~300 bucks and a 90 day license suspension and it only goes up slightly until like the 4-5 time you get caught. It just honestly doesn…

> You can insure yourself for like $30k, and you don't have $30k lying around paying $100 bucks a month is a terrible financial decision.

Certainly not here (Washington), you must have at least $60,000 AND it MUST be deposited with the DOL or State, unavailable to you, and you will not earn interest on it.

How do you propose people get to and from work to come up with $30-60K in savings that they can afford just to have sitting on account with the state?

> Take out a personal loan or save the money you would spend on insurance evry year

You're generally paying around 9-12% on this personal loan. Say it's over 5 years (that's assuming you can afford the $1,300/month payment), you're paying $21,000 in interest.

> Buying insurance is for npcs.

So your solution to NOT pay $50-100 a month for insurance is to pay a lender $1,300/mo for 5 years (assuming the amounts haven't increased then)? I don't think you've actually thought this through.

It literally would take you FIFTY YEARS to break even on this plan.

And in the meantime, you're only "insured" for the minimums, and if you're in a car accident at fault can easily be sued for more.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by gruez »

jrflowers wrote: post #129
gruez wrote: post #34

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> If drivers were worried about their rates going up, they would not do the very activities that put them in that risk in the first place. Not if they're underestimating the risk. For instance, if they think speed limits are instituted by clueless bureaucrats, or they think they're better than the average driver and therefore can drive more aggressively.

This is a good point. People that drive recklessly and risk personal injury, death, and imprisonment simply do so because they lack a proper disincentive. They would think twice when they envision themselves having to cut a a larger check to State Farm while lying in spinal traction.

When it comes to punishment, "swift and certain" trumps "harsh but sporadic". Having cars snitch on everyone else implements the former, "lying in spinal traction" implements the latter.

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

gruez wrote: post #28
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #12

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The fact that they're doing it at all is completely unacceptable.

Search warrants have existed forever, and allowed police to compel production of certain evidence. This includes breaking into residences or offices. I don't see how towing a car is any different. Unless you think search warrants themselves are "completely unacceptable", I don't see how towing teslas should be singled out.

There is a huge gap between a search warrant (in which you are generally the suspect of the investigation) and "this guy's car might have evidence, let's tow it". The proper analogue to a search warrant here is the police getting a warrant to get the data off Tesla's servers, not towing the car away.

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Post by yulker »

njtransit wrote: post #149
Lammy wrote: post #131

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> Seems like if it’s technically possible, it will happen, and we can’t stop technological progress. ‘The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread p…

Do you really think life was fulfilling before the Industrial Revolution? Most men toiled, watched their children and wives die, before dying at a young age themselves. Where was the fulfillment, exactly? You’re only able to contemplate that life could possibly be fulfilling because of the Industrial Revolution.

Gotta look past the agricultural revolution, not just shortly before industrial revolution

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Post by lr4444lr »

sowbug wrote: post #190
mullingitover wrote: post #154

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> The real money would be in giving civilians whose footage leads to a successful prosecution for moving violations a percentage of the fine. I've heard lots of talk of civil war in this country, but this is the first serious plan I've seen for how to start one.

Contracting out patrolling to private citizens would be a brilliant way to get around that pesky Bill of Rights.

This is already done via traffic cameras, which are operated by contracted private outfits. Letting any civilian submit the footage, for a judge to review, would amount to a qui tam action. It's not unprecedented. Would the average citizen want to risk his identity being exposed if the defendant demands an audit of the footage? I couldn't say.

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Post by gruez »

dylan604 wrote: post #82
gruez wrote: post #81

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>I don't have to make arrangements to go get my home when it is searched They could however, break your door (if you're not there to let them in), and AFAIK they're not responsible for getting it fixed. >Also, if you're searching my house, more than likely, I'm directly involved in something. That's irrelevant. The standard for a search warrant is "probable cause" regardless. >They don't break into my house to get my…

"If you read the article" is such a lame comment. In other comments in this thread, I've literally quoted the article. How in the world could I have pulled a quote without reading the article. It's clear you and I have polar opposite sentiments regarding this. So I'll leave it here as you are quite tiresome

>"If you read the article" is such a lame comment. In other comments in this thread, I've literally quoted the article. How in the world could I have pulled a quote without reading the article.

Unlike some commenters I don't check a commenter's entire comment history before making comments. In fact, I don't even keep good track of what everyone said in a particular thread, so forgive me if I didn't do enough due diligence before making a vague implication that you didn't read the article. That said, you need to chill out. If you can't handle a vague implication that you didn't read the article, maybe online forum commenting isn't for you.

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Post by Iulioh »

deeptechdreamer wrote: post #196
Spooky23 wrote: post #171

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Speak for yourself. My ancestors pre-industrial revolution were half starved tenant farmers making a subsistence living on too small plots of farmland in colonized Ireland, subject to random slaughter when the English changed their plans. Now, our extended family is prosperous in the US, Australia and Ireland. We’re taller, healthier and mostly in professional or skilled trade jobs. The past is often seen through a s…

War, disease, famine were the norm for eras past. For those who lived during those times, I reckon their level of perceived suffering was no more than ours today. Humans are tragically skilled at adapting to new standards and shifting the threshold of struggle. People today get frustrated over a delayed plane departure likely just as much as people in the past were over a storm delaying their caravan by a few days. A…

Everyone is unsatisfied with what they have but some people are more right than others in the complaints they make.
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