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Re: Make Firefox Private Again

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Post by kjkjadksj »

marcinzm wrote: post #178
lpcvoid wrote: post #84

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I personally don't care if 90% of websites which rely on advertising disappear or replace their monetization strategy with gated, paid access. I even think this is a good thing. As such, I will fight the ability of websites to monetize by tracking wherever I can.

That's not the alternative. The alternative is the death of most sites other than walled gardens like Meta and Amazon that own their own advertising end-to-end. Do you want the internet to be even more Meta controlled?

Who is using tracking? Its not mom and pop websites. Its big corporations. I could care less if they lost money. The internet would be a healthier place without corporations trying to shift public discourse in their favor.

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Post by bluGill »

commodoreboxer wrote: post #208
mrinfinitiesx wrote: post #4

wasn't aware that 'anonym' existed. I don't care if PII is stripped or not. the answer to 'helping advertisers' or anything with advertisement metrics in any fashion is always 'No.' - training things so that there's better data on how to best manipulate our psyche / give people data to psychologically manipulate us in to buying/doing things is a hard 'No.' > Asked whether Mozilla has any concerns that its user base,…

Most importantly, advertisement is a business. It's not charity and it's not a publicly owned resource. It doesn't keep the Internet free, because it makes a boat load of money doing what it does. It doesn't take an expert understanding of economics to see that any belief that advertisement allows for a free Internet is smoke and mirrors. The money comes from somewhere, notably from you. Either advertisement works, a…

> It doesn't keep the Internet free

There are two different definitions of free.

Advertising keeps the internet free as in your don't have to pay for it. However there is also freedom and advertising doesn't help there at all.

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Post by cml123 »

LunaSea wrote: post #195
lolinder wrote: post #173

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Y Combinator will continue to exist in a post-attention-economy world. They have proven themselves to be quite adaptable.

> Y Combinator will continue to exist in a post-attention-economy world. They have proven themselves to be quite adaptable. That's not the question. Hacker News was used as an example of an old-school site that worked without monetisation. Which is clearly not the case.

Surely HN doesn't require the existence of YC as a startup accelerator to exist, right? HN has to me survived because of its community and shared values wrt discussion. The moderation probably plays a role in it, but that's also easily decoupled from big money.

Re: Make Firefox Private Again

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Post by kjkjadksj »

bugtodiffer wrote: post #167
pessimizer wrote: post #112

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> This means that people without means will automatically be excluded from the internet. No, they'll be relegated to the charitable internet, the advocacy internet, the nerdy obsessive internet, the public science internet, the FOSS internet, the public domain internet, and the piracy internet. And whenever any of these groups come up with a project they want to do, they won't have to ramp it up to billion dollar sca…

> the commercial internet tries to raise the price of bandwidth somehow This is already happening. They wanted to make us pay more because we are using netflix and other streaming services so much. Everything important like internet and streets should be built and maintained by the gov and not some random companies, f*ck Telekom.

The issue is our government doesn’t function anything like that. We don’t build roads. We write checks to for profit contractors to build our roads. What would government internet look like? A massive check to meta and more or less the same environment we have today.

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Post by anewguy9000 »

mrinfinitiesx wrote: post #4

wasn't aware that 'anonym' existed. I don't care if PII is stripped or not. the answer to 'helping advertisers' or anything with advertisement metrics in any fashion is always 'No.' - training things so that there's better data on how to best manipulate our psyche / give people data to psychologically manipulate us in to buying/doing things is a hard 'No.' > Asked whether Mozilla has any concerns that its user base,…

mozilla used to have this smart guy, brendan something, as their cto. but he was chased out of mozilla and created a new browser called brave. it actually does what this current cto claims to be trying to do

Re: Make Firefox Private Again

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Post by cassianoleal »

LunaSea wrote: post #162
cassianoleal wrote: post #118

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Agree. Production quality != overall quality. I'd much rather have great content badly produced than professionally produced crap.

Most people still seem to watch Hollywood quality movies so I don't know if your taste is very representative.

If by Hollywood quality you mean that it's professionally produced to a high standard (of production, of course), than I don't see what's bad about that. I only said I value content quality much more than production quality. Great content produced to a high standard is better than the same content badly produced.

There are some great movies out of Hollywood.

Re: Make Firefox Private Again

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Post by bluGill »

zanellato19 wrote: post #190
p-e-w wrote: post #52

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And yet no successful link aggregator has ever been "free" or "open" in a meaningful sense. Matrix, Lemmy, and many others exist, work well, are free from centralized control, and are well-known to the crowd that frequents this place. And yet users prefer to stick to one of the least transparent platforms of its kind, which could be turned off, or turned into something else entirely, at the whim of a small group of p…

Centralization is what makes stuff like this interesting. I come here because the comments are nice, not just because the links are interesting. It's the thing a lot of tech people miss about centralization. It has lots of good effects.

The fediverse gets all those centralization advantages without being centralized. However there are not (yet!) the quantity of people needed to make it work.

Re: Make Firefox Private Again

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Post by kjkjadksj »

trustno2 wrote: post #37
SCdF wrote: post #30

I just want to use a robust, secure and decently fast browser that uses a different backend than Chrome to support the open web not ossifying into a single browser spec. I'll pay monthly! Please just let me pay for this in money and not my privacy :-(

There is Safari. Or whatever is based on WebKit on Linux (there must be some...) GNOME Web/Epiphany (same thing) seems to use WebKit and is officially supported https://webkit.org/downloads/ https://apps.gnome.org/Epiphany/ It seems there is no WebKit browser for Windows.

No good adblocking for safari like in firefox though

Re: Make Firefox Private Again

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Post by kjkjadksj »

freediver wrote: post #180
SCdF wrote: post #30

I just want to use a robust, secure and decently fast browser that uses a different backend than Chrome to support the open web not ossifying into a single browser spec. I'll pay monthly! Please just let me pay for this in money and not my privacy :-(

If you use macOS/iOS, there is Orion. Webkit based, zero telemetry, lifetime license $150 USD, no other source of funding. https://kagi.com/orion

With a price like that I’m assuming this product has a shelf life. It would make way more sense to ask a dollar a month. In 13 years they will have made more than that $150, and this model also incentivizes them to keep up development for years and years.

Re: Make Firefox Private Again

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Post by bluGill »

timeon wrote: post #61
mrinfinitiesx wrote: post #4

wasn't aware that 'anonym' existed. I don't care if PII is stripped or not. the answer to 'helping advertisers' or anything with advertisement metrics in any fashion is always 'No.' - training things so that there's better data on how to best manipulate our psyche / give people data to psychologically manipulate us in to buying/doing things is a hard 'No.' > Asked whether Mozilla has any concerns that its user base,…

>> allows the internet to be free As far as i know I still pay for internet. Only free internet is with public wifi.

You pay for the pipe to your house (which in turn pays for the backbone). However the content is mostly things you don't pay for.
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