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Re: Medieval

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Post by Retr0id »

DAlperin wrote: post #6
ramathornn wrote: post #5

I can’t take this company seriously after all the R1 nonsense. I get that no product is perfect in its first version but it sure feels malicious how they fooled everyone with what they promised vs what they delivered.

Fwiw Teenage Engineering is a design firm who was originally contracted by Rabbit to design the physical device. I don't think they had anything to do with the functionality.

While Rabbit Inc is a separate entity, they are more deeply intertwined than a mere design contract. Rabbit's CEO, Jesse Lyu, is on TE's board of directors. TE's CEO, Jesper Kouthoofd, is employed by Rabbit as "Chief Design Officer".

https://www.rabbit.tech/newsroom/teenage-engineering-jesper-...

Re: Medieval

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Post by AstroJetson »

TheFragenTaken wrote: post #155
lewisflude wrote: post #132

I know many musicians who love using Teenage Engineerings products for making music, performing live etc. However, I do think there is a case to be made for falling into the trap of being more interested in the gear than the thing you're meant to do with the gear. At the very least, Teenage Engineering hardware is generally very well designed, high quality and built to last. At least this product has some creative sp…

GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) is very real, and talked about a lot in the music industry. There are books, and papers studying this.

Good thing that there is nothing like that in other hobbies like Woodworking, Ham Radio, etc.

Re: Medieval

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Post by 0mp »

lewisflude wrote: post #132

I know many musicians who love using Teenage Engineerings products for making music, performing live etc. However, I do think there is a case to be made for falling into the trap of being more interested in the gear than the thing you're meant to do with the gear. At the very least, Teenage Engineering hardware is generally very well designed, high quality and built to last. At least this product has some creative sp…

Teenage Engineering gear is not meant to last. It is an illusion created by how their product looks like and how it is marketed. Once the warranty expires, you won't be able to repair products like TX-6. I've gotten bitten by that myself. TE does not really provide much support to its users to help them maintain and repair this expensive gear.

Re: Medieval

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Post by kashyapc »

lewisflude wrote: post #132

I know many musicians who love using Teenage Engineerings products for making music, performing live etc. However, I do think there is a case to be made for falling into the trap of being more interested in the gear than the thing you're meant to do with the gear. At the very least, Teenage Engineering hardware is generally very well designed, high quality and built to last. At least this product has some creative sp…

Very well said on gear-trap. Last night I was watching an old video[1] of the kind of gear Ólafur Arnalds uses.

I was amazed and aghast at the amount of expensive "outboard" gear and other vintage hardware such as "compressors", "filter banks", "levelling amplifiers", Korg PS-3100, a vintage analog synthesizer which costs more than 20,000 (!) euros,tape recorders, etc.

Many of these things I didn't even know existed. But I'm just a newbie to learning music.

It's a privileged position to be in, to just acquire whatever vintage hardware, instead of resorting to emulated software to create the sounds.

At least, he (and others like Nils Frahm) can justify it, as a highly successful professional musicians. But many hobbyist musicians seem to fall into the trap of, "if only I get that Roland Juno-60, I'll make more awesome music".

[1] https://youtube.com/watch?v=2jTHNuvuQC0

Re: Medieval

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Post by addandsubtract »

thom wrote: post #190

I've managed to convince myself over the years I wouldn't actually use any of Teenage Engineering's stuff, however I might lust after it. But 200 hours of Manor Lords and a Lankum gig later, this was the fastest £249 I've ever spent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9mRQK9kCHA

Meanwhile, it costs €350 in Euroland.

Re: Medieval

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Post by diggan »

whatshisface wrote: post #46
WatchDog wrote: post #44

Has anyone began dabbling in music production, just to play with some of teenage engineering's gadgets? I'm pretty sure if I bought one, it would just sit in my cupboard, but I'm looking for an excuse to buy one, has anyone here gotten more use out of one of their gadgets than they expected they would?

You could try LMMS and if you like it you could get FL Studio.

Doing music with hardware outside of the computer is way different than making music on the computer. I probably tried for 10 years to get into music making via the computer, but never really got into the flow of it. A week after purchasing my first hardware some years ago (the first Novation Circuit), I had already starting putting together full tracks and it was a lot more engaging.

So even if you try out LMMS/FL Studio/Ableton/making-music-on-a-computer and don't like it, doesn't mean you don't like making music at all, maybe it's just the wrong workflow for you.

Re: Medieval

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Post by dkdbejwi383 »

diggan wrote: post #199
dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #164

I love the blackletter style 7-seg display. Seems like the people at TE have fun over-designing gadgets that are more aesthetic than usable. Good for them that they've managed to make a viable business out of it.

> Seems like the people at TE have fun over-designing gadgets that are more aesthetic than usable You're saying this like their over-designing blocks/prevents basic usability, but the small amount of TE devices I've tried, they just look good, are easy to understand and are easy to use. Maybe the sound/workflow isn't revolutionary, but not every device needs to be either. I'll still keep mostly to Elektron, but can't…

> You're saying this like their over-designing blocks/prevents basic usability

I meant it more like they are not building products that are there to meet some need for the general population that isn't met, they aren't designing and building general use-case type products, but instead building extremely niche things like medieval samplers. Oddball, extreme niche uses. Like they aren't trying to build something like a piano that's light and easy to move, or a guitar where the strings never break, but these fun gimmicky toys. Something nobody ever asked for but which makes you smile.

Re: Medieval

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Post by diggan »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #217
diggan wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seems like the people at TE have fun over-designing gadgets that are more aesthetic than usable You're saying this like their over-designing blocks/prevents basic usability, but the small amount of TE devices I've tried, they just look good, are easy to understand and are easy to use. Maybe the sound/workflow isn't revolutionary, but not every device needs to be either. I'll still keep mostly to Elektron, but can't…

> You're saying this like their over-designing blocks/prevents basic usability I meant it more like they are not building products that are there to meet some need for the general population that isn't met, they aren't designing and building general use-case type products, but instead building extremely niche things like medieval samplers. Oddball, extreme niche uses. Like they aren't trying to build something like a…

> I meant it more like they are not building products that are there to meet some need for the general population that isn't met, they aren't designing and building general use-case type products, but instead building extremely niche things

You're describing like 90% of all music hardware that is being launched today :) Who really needs a new delay pedal when there already exists thousands of them? Hardly makes them being gimmicks though.

A groovebox with a sampler isn't that niche at all I'd say, it's just the theme/design that is niche, but considering it's also a small hardware upgrade compare to the original, it isn't just a different theme but an incremental upgrade.

That said, as a electronic music producer myself I wouldn't buy this either, but not because of the theme/design.

Re: Medieval

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Post by squiffy »

apitman wrote: post #16

If you've never heard of bardcore it's well worth a google

Although related to bardcore, I see this product as more about creating dungeon synth and its offshoots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeon_synth

which has seen a little more popularity recently, judging by the number of views this got: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP9_XmmmIk0

Re: Medieval

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Post by Bluestein »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #204
pgt wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Regular people use their speakers to listen to your music. Audiophiles use your music to listen to their speakers.” — Alan Parsons

I’ve never heard that before. Hilarious and brilliant!

Seconded. Great quote.-
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