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July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by EricE »

cdchn wrote: post #189

I built a system last fall with an i9-13900K and have been having the weirdest crashing problems with certain games that I never had problems with before. NEVER been able to track it down, no thermal issues, no overclocking, all updated drivers and BIOS. Maybe this is finally the answer I've been looking for.

It was for me. Check for BIOS updates - most motherboard vendors have them. Look for and enable something labeled Intel Baseline Profile and then check. That cured it for me.

For Asus: https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/motherboards/asus-adds-inte...

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by EricE »

thangngoc89 wrote: post #105
whalesalad wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you using any motherboard overclocking stuff? A lot of mobo’s are pushing these chips pretty hard right out of the box. I have mine at a factory setting that Intel would suggest, not the asus multi core enhancement crap. noctua dh15 cooler. It’s really been a stable setup.

I didn’t setup anything in BIOS. But my motherboard are from asus. I will look into this. Thanks for your suggestion.

Make sure you update the BIOS and enable the Intel Baseline Profile - cleared up crashing issues I was having with my i914k

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/motherboards/asus-adds-inte...

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by cdchn »

EricE wrote: post #211
cdchn wrote: post #189

I built a system last fall with an i9-13900K and have been having the weirdest crashing problems with certain games that I never had problems with before. NEVER been able to track it down, no thermal issues, no overclocking, all updated drivers and BIOS. Maybe this is finally the answer I've been looking for.

It was for me. Check for BIOS updates - most motherboard vendors have them. Look for and enable something labeled Intel Baseline Profile and then check. That cured it for me. For Asus: https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/motherboards/asus-adds-inte...

I'll try that, thanks. Although the current cohort of games I play seems more stable now. If I ever go back to EVE Online then it'd be more of an issue - that thing crashed constantly.

Re: July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop CPUs

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Post by paulmd »

paulmd wrote: post #167
sudosysgen wrote: post #109

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Running a full memtest overnight and a day of Prime95 with validation is the traditional way of sussing out instability.

it’s also a terrible stability test these days for the same reasons Wendell talks about with cinebench in his video with Ian (and Ian agrees too). Doesn’t work like 90% of the chip - it’s purely a cache/avx benchmark. You can have a completely unstable frontend and it’ll just work fine because prime95 fits in icache and doesn’t need the decoder, and it’s just vector op, vector op, vector op forever. You can have a sy…

Prime95 also completely ignores the high-clock domain btw so it can also be completely prime95 stable yet fail completely on a routine task that boosts up! So it’s technically not even a full test of core stability either.

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #122
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #114

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> Well they didn't notice it for a good while, so it's really hard to say how much impact it had. That negates any arguments you had related to failure rates. > The complaint you're making depends on very particular parts of their statement being true but other very particular parts being not true Er, I’m not even sure how to respond to this. GamersNexus has indicated they know about the oxidisation issue, intel *sub…

> That negates any arguments you had related to failure rates. I mean it's hard for us to say, without sufficient data. But Intel might have that much data. Also what argument about failure rates? The one where I said "if" about failure rates? > Er, I’m not even sure how to respond to this. GamersNexus has indicated they know about the oxidisation issue, intel subsequently confirm it was known internally but no publi…

GN called out the lack of further details relating to oxidisation, fyi.

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Post by mananaysiempre »

jpk wrote: post #82
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #19

After watching https://youtube.com/watch?v=gTeubeCIwRw and some related content, I personally don't believe it's an issue fixable with microcode. I guess we'll see.

Because HN doesn't provide link previews, I'd recommend adding some information about the content to your comment. Otherwise we have to click through to YouTube for the comment to make any sense. That said, the video is the GamersNexus one where they talk about an unverified claim that this is a fabrication process issue caused by oxidation between atomic deposition layers. If that's the case, then yeah, microcode ca…

GN mentioned shipping a few samples to a lab (number dependent on the price quote from said lab), so I hope we’ll have some closure regarding this hypothesis.
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