For anyone looking for a package to install, there are, sadly, none yet:
> Ladybird is in a pre-alpha state, and only suitable for use by developers
Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
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Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#212Will it have multi-account containers, like Firefox? If not, I won't be using it.
Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#213What does Spotify gain by funding this project with $100K?
You mean Shopify?
Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't throw money away into non-browser related projects while constantly pissing off your loyal userbase.
Look, I am as annoyed as you are with the constant barrage of "rewritten in Rust" projects, but if Mozilla did not try various other projects that are not browser, there would be no Rust.
Instead of rebuild 'everything' in Rust, we just can use AI to optimize C/C++.
We don't need another programming language.
Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
> (...) switch to a less permissive license. License "permissiveness" is a relative concept. From the point of view of the users of your software, the GPL is more permissive than MIT, since they have permission to see the source code. If you release software under MIT or BSD licenses, you allow middlemen to strip this right to users of your software.
Don’t spread FUD please. Middlemen can’t change Ladybird’s license or prevent anyone from seeing its source code. I know that’s not what you meant, but it is what you said.
If you look at the parent comment directly above in the hierarchy, it is pretty clear that they are talking about a company coming in and taking it, adding stuff to it, and calling it their own browser. I think you have to try pretty hard to read in that GP is saying that the original source code license would be changed.
Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There are currently no plans to switch to a less permissive license. Hey, just a reality check: in the event that you actually do become wildly successful, this means that others (Google, Microsoft, etc.) will be able to fork the browser and then develop it faster than you - thus leaving you behind and taking away your users ! Would highly recommend leaving yourself some mechanism to prevent that, unless you're rea…
Yes, we are aware of how permissive licenses work. If someone forks our code and does a better job with it than we do, fair game. :)
Just so you know, chromium exists now as an open source project because KDE developers used GPL.
Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks F3nd0! There are currently no plans to switch to a less permissive license. And we're perfectly happy using proprietary services like GitHub and Discord as long as they make our work easier and more enjoyable. We recently evaluated a number of alternatives, and found that they all introduced more friction than we were comfortable with. Although the task of building a browser is itself challenging, we're a prag…
> There are currently no plans to switch to a less permissive license. Hey, just a reality check: in the event that you actually do become wildly successful, this means that others (Google, Microsoft, etc.) will be able to fork the browser and then develop it faster than you - thus leaving you behind and taking away your users ! Would highly recommend leaving yourself some mechanism to prevent that, unless you're rea…
They’re backed by Shopify. If Google or Microsoft forked it that would probably be the best thing they could hope for.
Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nice to see. The only thing that would meaningfully set it apart from the others would be to have a core that isn’t a big ball of C++. That would potentially allow it to be developed and maintained with less resource than the other browsers, and that would be the only way this ever reaches any kind of impact.
If I'm not wrong Firefox is already Rust. The language was even created inside Mozilla.
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Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#219Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)
Will it block ads are have the ability to run extensions to do so? I can't use modern web without an ad blocker
Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder
#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks F3nd0! There are currently no plans to switch to a less permissive license. And we're perfectly happy using proprietary services like GitHub and Discord as long as they make our work easier and more enjoyable. We recently evaluated a number of alternatives, and found that they all introduced more friction than we were comfortable with. Although the task of building a browser is itself challenging, we're a prag…
> (...) switch to a less permissive license. License "permissiveness" is a relative concept. From the point of view of the users of your software, the GPL is more permissive than MIT, since they have permission to see the source code. If you release software under MIT or BSD licenses, you allow middlemen to strip this right to users of your software.
> you allow middlemen to strip this right to users of your software.
That's not true.
Somebody can take the source code and build something closed on top of it, but the original code will be already free, and you will always have the right to see it.
For example, PlayStation OS is based on FreeBSD (AFAIK). They took it, adapted it and added a lot of stuff. Did you lose the right to see the source code of FreeBSD ? No. Can you see the source code of PlayStation OS ? No, but you never had that right, so you have not been stripped of anything.