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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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enpass.io is great. + Can't beat convenience. + Cross platform +/- free if you don't need mobile version - Closed source (no affiliation)

Bitwarden

+ cross-platform

+ free as in beer

+ free and open-source software

Can't really comment on convenience, I moved from LastPass, but it has worked well for me.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

It's more platform lock-in and it leverages their market position. Unabashed monopolism. Completely unchastened by recent lawsuits.

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post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

Apple wants it to be a problem so it incentivizes you to switch over.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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post #88

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I’m in the same boat. I really enjoy Bitwarden but I’m willing to give this a try to see if it’s as good as it could be

I will need a tool to transfer over all the pws, doing that manually is a non starter

Sounds like a fun project to work on

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> vs building a solid product and increasing users this forum likes to denigrate them into being freeloaders The point is maintenance is an ongoing expense. Pretending it can be baked into a one-off purchase price is nuts, unless one is willing to buy that software caveat emptor , as in if it has a critical bug, sorry, you need to upgrade to have safe software. For a game, that seems fine. For a password manager, obv…

Again with this made up concept that I wanted a pay once notion. I kept upgrading with their releases until they went SaaS and removed the ability to store the data locally. If they continued to offer local storage with paid upgrades, I'd continue paying and using. They don't, so I'm not.

I just checked it on my device in airplane mode: everything is available locally and new records can be added. What do you mean saying you cannot store the data locally?

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

I use Apple Music and Apple Notes every day on my Debian workstation. Works like a charm.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Last I tried it, iCloud for Windows didn't integrate with Firefox, though.

I would think it would be Firefox which would have to support iCloud for Windows. If password managers could interfere with password fields in Firefox without its help, malware could do that, too. Or is there a generic password manager API on Windows that Apple doesn’t implement?

1Password, for example, has a plugin for Firefox. Something that you would expect in MVP for any password manager.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login.

I think this is exactly what _most_ people want.

With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most.

On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passwords, just like you can with 1Password.

Apple Music has had a web client for a long time. iTunes has been on Windows for 20+ years and Apple Music was supported via that until recently when they built an Apple Music specific app.

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post #145

I wasn’t expecting this much hate towards 1Password in the comments. I was using Google Passwords, then migrated to Apple, finally to 1P7 and now 1P8. It’s one of the best software I’ve ever used and I don’t know what I’d do without it. Same goes for Fastmail as well.

We used 1pwd at my company and I have a paid family account. I love it. Think it's worth every penny.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

> Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. I don’t see why that would be a big problem for Apple . As this article explains, this isn’t new functionality. It’s (mostly) a new UI for existing functionality, to make the hardware they sell and make lots of money on more attractive.

Seems to be the case that commenters do not know that Keychain Access exists.

Apple has tried various approaches of surfacing this functionality (eg the passwords panel in Safari and again in iOS’s settings app). This just seems to be the app-agnostic way of providing this functionality to everyday users, and probably a good thing as platforms move away from passwords.

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