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Carpenter's AirTags help uncover 'massive' case of stolen tools in Maryland

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"But AirTags aren't for finding stolen things!", someone asserts every time someone mentions wanting to use AirTags for finding stolen things.

And q-tips aren't for cleaning ears, but what you gonna do.

They were for that before the “weren’t”.

“The first mass-produced cotton swab was developed in 1923 by Polish-American Jew Leo Gerstenzang after he watched his wife attach wads of cotton to toothpicks to clean their infant's ears.”

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That is a huge inventory. How do stolen tools get fenced? Sent abroad? Craigslist and FB marketplace? I've bought some used tools from online classifieds, but it always seems to be a homeowner or business owner selling one or two things.

I have no idea but I remember the Sopranos episode where Christopher's father in law owns a hardware store and sells fenced goods out of it. It's not hard, but the owner can get done for it of course.

Yeah there was a camera store in SF busted for doing the same.

https://sfist.com/2021/12/21/tenderloin-camera-shop-was-fron...

It was selling stolen clothing. Odd that it wasn't stolen cameras.

I think I actually visited that store once or twice (before the bust) and it seemed like a nice little shop, though I didn't see how it could stay in business. I guess now I know.

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A good Hollywood caper story would end with this being ultimately engineered by the tool vendors themselves in order to stimulate more demand for their goods.

That would be a good Hollywood ending. Sadly the world has become so credulous that people probably believe nutty conspiracy theories like that today. When two seconds of thought would make anyone realize that the conspiracy story is insane: professionals working at a company literally paying for criminal acts targeting their own customers, in support of a sales increase they could never get credit for, and which wou…

> the conspiracy story is insane: professionals working at a company literally paying for criminal acts targeting their own customers

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/29/tech/ebay-exec-jail-harassmen...

Ex-eBay execs heading to prison for harassing couple behind newsletter

Re: Carpenter's AirTags help uncover 'massive' case of stolen tools in Maryland

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To everyone talking about anti-tracking features.

https://github.com/positive-security/find-you

"A modified version of OpenHaystack to showcase the possibility of building a stealth AirTag clone that bypasses all of Apple's tracking protection features."

Other projects from them, like https://github.com/positive-security/send-my , also seem interesting.

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> He called police, who got a search warrant Kind of sad, that I was surprised they did that. It's definitely a local thing. I'd expect the police to shrug, and say it's too bad, just file a report to use for insurance. I remember people saying "so what if you have tags, police won't do anything and you shouldn't be confronting thieves anyway". Apple, on the other hand, is also explicit about tags not to be used as a…

I shamelessly contribute to the local sheriff's association in the hopes i'll get better treatment if i ever need them, not the best deal ever but i've seen it work elsewhere so :shrug:

If you're in any area that doesn't have permitless carry your contribution may buy you a CPL.

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Crime should not be tolerated, criminals thrive on society’s indulgence in being ‘understanding’.

Man, it sounds to me like a few users in this thread wouldn’t mind some good ole Sharia Law. Can’t steal if you don’t have a hand!

Why do you immediately think of it as that violent ? , Not tolerating the crime, involves arresting the person, and penalizing them with fines and other consequences for a while, and then if possible work on improving their living standards and help them get a job to get out of a life of crime.

Not tolerating crime does not mean shooting people up or inflicting wounds on them, why should it be that extreme ? , either inflict wounds on people or let them go free with misdemeanor charges ?

It just kills the conversation and scope to actually fix this rise in crime mess, that is spreading everywhere.

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Exactly this. Since there's less crime in affluent areas, the police actually have time to investigate what get's ignored in other areas. By also solving these crimes, it tells the criminals to avoid those areas, it's kind of a feedback loop.

I'll offer a counterpoint - I live in a nice building in a bit of a rougher part of a major city. I've learned that the police do show up thankfully, but it takes a very long time unless there's literally a life on the line. (Which, I know, is better than some other major cities.) The couple of times I've interacted with them, it's been painfully obvious to me that they feel like they need to put on a performance for…

Given that 99% of the crimes are committed by repeat offenders, a simple dusting for fingerprints (costs pennies) could likely identify the culprit. But they don't bother. And they act like we've seen too many movies/tv shows. But when an "interesting" crime happens they do in fact dust for fingerprints (cheap!) and do all sorts of swabbing and testing (expensive). The police are lazy in CA especially. And yet they are also extremely well paid in CA. Someday, hopefully, this will change.

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It’s sorta hard to trust that your data is unbiased fact when you use the term “copaganda.”

I mean, if you weren't smugly comfortable in your biases, you could always just do a search, say for "FBI crime rate by year", or "police clearance rates by year", or "police funding per year", but I guess not.

It is different on fed level, state level and City level.

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Yeah, I pointed the police to someone who was selling fifty plus obviously stolen MacBooks and iPhones, including mine (all described as "locked", "no charger, no accessories", etc., etc.) and the could not possibly care less. "He probably was not the one who stole them." "Isn't it still a crime to sell stolen goods?" "Shrug."

If you are asking a best cop, what can they do? Legos shoplifted from Target were being openly sold at a thrift stall in Seattle’s Pike Place Market, everyone knew they were stolen, but until there was someone to formally connect the dots (they noticed legos from their store stolen at the thrift shop), the cops really couldn’t do anything about it.

Seriously? Cops really can't do anything unless all the evidence is gathered by citizens and then handed to them?

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Yeah, and then people act like the flea market is some precious cornerstone of the local culture. In my city there is a flea market that has dozens of freshly stolen bikes every week. There's a fund where people buy back the bikes and reunite them with their owners. Unfortunately, there's no fund supporting violence against these bike thieves.

Violence for property crime is a bit 18th century, no? I've been robbed, and wanted to inflict violence in the heat of the moment, but cooler heads... prison would be fine, and you know, civilized.

I don't think they were suggesting that violence is the preferred option. But I don't think there's any country where law enforcement cares about bike theft, so prison isn't really an option.

Edit: I found a great article about that for the UK here: https://www.cyclinguk.org/cycle-magazine/justice-cycle-theft

> Ministry of Justice records show that in the five-year period between June 2017 and June 2022, just 159 people (out of roughly 350,000 bike theft cases) were found guilty of bike thefts and only two of these were given immediate custodial sentences.

The police could do way more, but it's easier to victim blame ("register your bike, use two locks, etc.")

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