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Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by eitland »

beeboobaa3 wrote: post #167
eitland wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a user of Kagi and search.marginalia.nu I can tell you: Quite a bit. So much that now that I have what "everyone" asked Google for for years - that is blacklists - I hardly use them. Why? Because with Kagi I get much better results out of the box. I am fairly sure Googlers will tell me there are multiple safeguards to prevent the inclusion of Google ads from affecting ranking, to which I just have to say that the…

Is kagi good for finding things like old forum posts (not reddit)? I know some of those sites are still up but google seems to ignore them.

There is a seperate "lens" (think like "images", "videos" and "news" in Google, only there are more and you can create your own) for "Small Web" which only includes what they describe as "Results that favor noncommercial domains and topics".

(Other standard lenses include

- Forums

- Fediverse forums

- Usenet/archive

and I think 7 others.)

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by eitland »

dustincoates wrote: post #176
eitland wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats exactly what I am talking about. Kagi is kind of like Google in 2009, seriously good coverage, good ranking ... but also: - more modern - more features (summarizer, bangs like in DDG, FastGPT and probably a few I forgot) - blocklists for websites (and also options to pin, raise and lower) - with actual support: report a bug and you get an answer from a real engineer, a follow up when it is fixed and a shout out…

I like Kagi a lot (just look at my comment history), but I'm letting my subscription lapse when it comes time to renew. I've found myself going to Google a lot more often, and I'm finding more and more transparently spammy sites in the Kagin index. Some, for example, are clearly Gen AI created. If I were a rich man, I would probably keep my subscription just to support a Google competitor. Alas, I'm not, and so I'll…

I see your point. I was not always this well paid.

Did you try blocking the problematic sites and if it didn't work, did you file support requests?

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by HankB99 »

> Successful clicks matter.

I wonder about this. If I click a link and read it and I find that it's garbage (e.g. got ranked based on SEO rather than useful content) does it count as a successful click? Worse yet, some of these sites have blatant errors that are only discovered after examination.

This is relative to technical subject matter. Other searches, such as shopping may not suffer this kind of problem (or I have not noticed it.)

I also wonder how Google knows a click is successful. If I open a link in another tab, does the browser tell Google how long I lingered on the site? Perhaps Chrome does but I use Firefox.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by p3rls »

eitland wrote: post #136
vouaobrasil wrote: post #127

Sometimes I wonder how much better the internet would be hits on Google weren't directly tied to revenue from Google itself through its ad program. I am certain Google has made the internet and the world a worse place to live.

As a user of Kagi and search.marginalia.nu I can tell you: Quite a bit. So much that now that I have what "everyone" asked Google for for years - that is blacklists - I hardly use them. Why? Because with Kagi I get much better results out of the box. I am fairly sure Googlers will tell me there are multiple safeguards to prevent the inclusion of Google ads from affecting ranking, to which I just have to say that the…

Kagi is the same garbage as google in my niche. Even worse, maybe. It looks like it's weighing backlinks and SEO garbage even higher. Well done.

I don't know how people keep talking about it. The results, as you say, speak for themselves.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by p3rls »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #184
amelius wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know that Kagi won't become as bad as Google at some point?

Also it’s unlikely Kagi will ever become big enough for SEO people to specifically target with manipulative content. Even if they got 100 million active paying users it’d still be a tiny fraction of overall search traffic.

Why would they? The same manipulative techniques that work in my niche on Google seem to work even better on Kagi

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by sseagull »

karma_pharmer wrote: post #190
glitchc wrote: post #183

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Tell that to cable companies, sports broadcasts and now streaming services. The one incontrovertible fact of modern society is that ads eat everything else. No other revenue source compares.

ads eat everything else Well duh. Because it's the only value you're allowed to collect from retail customers without having to deal with either chargebacks or kyc. We've deliberately made every other form of micropayment infeasible. It shouldn't be surprising that the only one left is insanely popular.

Partly. But also because it's just a way to make more money. If you make X from payments, and you can make Y from ads, then X+Y > X.

You might lose some people, but probably not many - we've been conditioned to really accept ads everywhere.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by nalinidash »

beeboobaa3 wrote: post #167
eitland wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a user of Kagi and search.marginalia.nu I can tell you: Quite a bit. So much that now that I have what "everyone" asked Google for for years - that is blacklists - I hardly use them. Why? Because with Kagi I get much better results out of the box. I am fairly sure Googlers will tell me there are multiple safeguards to prevent the inclusion of Google ads from affecting ranking, to which I just have to say that the…

Is kagi good for finding things like old forum posts (not reddit)? I know some of those sites are still up but google seems to ignore them.

Try search.marginalia.nu

From the website about: "This is an independent DIY search engine that focuses on non-commercial content, and attempts to show you sites you perhaps weren't aware of in favor of the sort of sites you probably already knew existed."

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by eitland »

amelius wrote: post #171
eitland wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a user of Kagi and search.marginalia.nu I can tell you: Quite a bit. So much that now that I have what "everyone" asked Google for for years - that is blacklists - I hardly use them. Why? Because with Kagi I get much better results out of the box. I am fairly sure Googlers will tell me there are multiple safeguards to prevent the inclusion of Google ads from affecting ranking, to which I just have to say that the…

How do you know that Kagi won't become as bad as Google at some point?

Kagi is worth the price every month, unlike a number of other things I have supported it is not an investment for me in the hope that it will one day be worth it but rather a service that I pay a small sum for which in turns removes lots of frustration from my life every month.

If they do become bad then at least I have had a fantastic search engine for another few years of my life like I had from 2002 until 2009 ish.

And also, already at this point, they and marginalia has proven that it isn't impossible to enter the search engine marked even now. This was long considered impossible, at least here on HN.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by karma_pharmer »

ptman wrote: post #194
karma_pharmer wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi is simply reselling google search results.

They have many sources https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...

... and 99% of the results come from just one of those.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by eitland »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #184
amelius wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know that Kagi won't become as bad as Google at some point?

Also it’s unlikely Kagi will ever become big enough for SEO people to specifically target with manipulative content. Even if they got 100 million active paying users it’d still be a tiny fraction of overall search traffic.

If anything, Kagi has proven that Googles "SEO ruined it" argument isn't valid.

In the beginning, Kagi was mostly just API calls to Google and Bing AFAIK. Their results were still better for some reason, probably because they didn't have to consider how valuable the ads on garbage site were before throwing the site out of my results.

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