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Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by helpfulContrib » Fri, May 17, 2024, 8:40 AM UTC

flohofwoe wrote: post #139

yesco wrote: post #136

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Are you suggesting most people enjoy graffiti? Because I don't know anyone irl who does so I'm a bit surprised by this perspective. I've personally always viewed it as equivalent to littering and assumed the ones doing it were just thrill seekers up until now...

I do. When I first moved to Berlin I was thinking the same, but now I prefer it when modern concrete buildings are touched up with graffity no matter if commissioned or "illegal" - the important part is to give the eyes something to stumble over. Historical buildings is a different matter of course.

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Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by 72deluxe » Fri, May 17, 2024, 8:41 AM UTC

umpalumpaaa wrote: post #9

lqet wrote: post #4

> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks. [0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...

If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

Would you be happy to wake up to your car covered in graffiti? It's "art" after all! If not, why not?

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by HPsquared » Fri, May 17, 2024, 8:41 AM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #190

DeathArrow wrote: post #120

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Isn't vandalism an offense in Germany?

Almost everywhere, but it's fairly low priority and impossible to prosecute without Orwellian levels of surveillance.

We already have those levels of surveillance. It's just an unwillingness to do anything.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by helpfulContrib » Fri, May 17, 2024, 8:42 AM UTC

constantcrying wrote: post #133

petre wrote: post #127

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>Are you an art major to be able to judge objectively? There is precisely nothing about "being an art major" that gives you any more or less right to an opinion. Especially if you actually had read anything about current philosophy of art you would realize how dumb that sounds in this context. Since "postmodern" theories of art focus on the inner expression of the artist, contrasted with the subjective experience of…

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Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by HPsquared » Fri, May 17, 2024, 8:42 AM UTC

fodkodrasz wrote: post #128

DeathArrow wrote: post #120

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Isn't vandalism an offense in Germany?

In many places in Europe there is a de-facto truce between graffiti artist and the local governments: You can paint/tag some areas. Typically noise barriers are such, while trains themselves or stations are not. Harder persecution both by authorities and self-policing in the subcult community after some prominents were persecuted and agreed with to help normalize the situation has led to the current status quo, which…

I think if it was put to a vote, most people would be against graffiti.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by wiseowise » Fri, May 17, 2024, 8:44 AM UTC

umpalumpaaa wrote: post #9

lqet wrote: post #4

> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks. [0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...

If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

Ugly defacement of public property.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by HPsquared » Fri, May 17, 2024, 8:45 AM UTC

damsalor wrote: post #169

yodsanklai wrote: post #76

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My city is filled with horrible graffitis. Some types of ugly signatures, even on historical buildings. It takes only a few weeks after walls are cleaned up to see new graffitis reappearing. It's really sad.

The money would probably be better spent in community outreach than cleaning services

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by 72deluxe » Fri, May 17, 2024, 8:46 AM UTC

oaiey wrote: post #113

constantcrying wrote: post #104

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There is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.

Unfortunately, life is not black and white. Even without knowing anything about graffiti culture, there is a border between defacing and improving. And graffiti artists are moving over that border back and forth. Some of the most beautiful art I have seen are graffiti

What a strange argument that seems to romanticise this "border" called "the law".

It is black and white: someone is defacing something that doesn't belong to them. You can call the result whatever you want ("art","expression" etc) but the fundamental issue doesn't change.

Would you be happy to wake up and see your car covered in paint? What about the windows on your house? Would you see this as an "improvement" too?

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by wiseowise » Fri, May 17, 2024, 8:47 AM UTC

oaiey wrote: post #113

constantcrying wrote: post #104

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There is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.

Unfortunately, life is not black and white. Even without knowing anything about graffiti culture, there is a border between defacing and improving. And graffiti artists are moving over that border back and forth. Some of the most beautiful art I have seen are graffiti

Most of the time this is a black and white matter.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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Post by JW_00000 » Fri, May 17, 2024, 8:47 AM UTC

constantcrying wrote: post #104

umpalumpaaa wrote: post #9

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If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffi…

There is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.

This is pretty ironic to read on a forum called "Hacker" News, which also originated as a counter-culture that considered itself creative but was regarded as criminal by the general public.