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The forgotten war on beepers

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Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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post #190

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They can know I was at Costco too. I’m fine with that.

Surely you're not saying you're fine with your location data leading to wrongful imprisonment, which is what sometimes happens if companies hoard this data? https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/southwest-valley/2...

If I go to prison for being at Costco, that was one WILD trip to Costco.

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post #200

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If you don't see why terrorists getting your location is a bad thing thing... Well it's a problem that will solve itself eventually.

Tell the terrorists I’ll be at Costco, eating a whole rotisserie chicken in the parking lot while crying.

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/05/israel-idf-l... Israel used phone location data to target and kill Palestinians, with a sub-90% accuracy rate, supposedly. Probably not a big concern right now in America, but it could always turn into one. So I think it'd be good if this wasn't a possibility. Better safe than sorry.

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Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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post #195

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I had the same thought process in the 90s, and it is the reason why I still don't have a smartphone :)

Isn't it difficult to exist in modern society without one?

Getting a mainstream email account is now impossible without one!

How far we’ve fallen since the days when usernames were opaque numbers and anonymity was prized.

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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post #195

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I had the same thought process in the 90s, and it is the reason why I still don't have a smartphone :)

Isn't it difficult to exist in modern society without one?

only if you don't have everything you need already

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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post #20

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> confiscated and held until the end of the school year. How things like that were even remotely legal?

My kid's school now just confiscates until the end of the day. Even that might not be strictly legal, but it's unlikely to get challenged.

I’d be happy if other elementary schools didn’t encourage kids to bring devices to school…

I’m also pretty sure that 75% of the students had a newer iPhone than I do!

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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post #193
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Neither of those links demonstrate mishandling of location data collected via cell phone. They’re just regular misuse of data that would be possible even if nobody involved was carrying a phone.

Well, I'm sure you understand that there is a broader theme here, given how central it has been to public discourse and lawmaking in the last several years. But should that not be the case, here's data collected via cell-phone that was mishandled - https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/southwest-valley/2... .

But those VHF pagers transmitted all the rest of your data in the clear unprotected, it just didn't have your location or any knowledge if you received the message.

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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It really upsets me that the VHF pager networks were shut down. VHF pagers were the last way you could recieve notifications without having to offer up your location to surveillance. All satellite pagers require transmit-before-receive, and of course LTE requires that plus actively cooperating with the towers' triangulation of the receiver. VHF POCSAG over large urban areas is something we never should have let go of…

Hams still have and use them.[1] I'm not a ham, because I don't want to hang out with self-appointed cops, so I got a new Chinese pager made up with a center frequency of 433.5MHz (ISM, unlicensed), then configured it to work with a Pi-Star rig radiating well under the EU/Irish legal power limit, and receive messages infrequently enough not to run afoul of duty cycle limits. Because I know there's some ham who's just…

>I'm not a ham, because I don't want to hang out with self-appointed cops

Hams do have a "Whacker" problem. General Boomer mentality scares away a lot of new Hams as well.

Re: The forgotten war on beepers

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post #209

Wow. Weird. We never had this in the Netherlands. But we got them later. In fact for a long time they were the only way to be reachable in hospitals because they banned mobile phones for fear of interference with medical equipment.

I don't really know how beeper works, why is it not interfering with medical equipment like mobile phone does? Solely because of low power?

No they don't interfere because they only receive. They send nothing. At least the pagers of those days didn't, two way pagers did exist but they were super expensive and really uncommon.

To be honest I wish I could still buy one because I'd love to be reachable but not trackable at times. Unfortunately Spain has no pager network in operation anymore.

In regards to how they work, the messages were broadcast over the whole country. Because the network had no idea where you were or if you even were reachable. This is why they had to be so short and why text paging was expensive.

The messages were not encrypted either so everyone could see them. It was not a perfect system but really most people just received codes or at most a phone number.

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