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AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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I don't think I can endure much more AI slop seeping its way into my life.

AI slop (to me) would be to pass this off as a song or something meritorious to listen to. IMHO this and things like it are basically a sub-class of comedy or satire, so I have time for this sort of thing. It's a joke, and should (can?) only be appreciated as artistic as someone saying "Wouldn't it be funny if ... ?" because now that casual thought can be turned into a pretty instant "well here it is! LOL!". I don't…

Personal opinion, but I think you're calling it wrong. Also personal opinion, I absolutely hate the idea of it happening, buuut...

I think it's a bit like everyone who said "black cabs in London have nothing to fear; X years of 'The Knowledge' will always be better than a guy with an App in an old Prius..." Except it was all wrong. Black cabs are probably still superior, but the bulk of people (and especially new customers) are all using Uber, because it's easier and they just don't care.

It sucks that production factory, literally built to make money, AI created junk music will be a thing, but it most likely will. Someone will exploit that they can make a ton of cash with low risk and budget. They'll have the connections to, despite initial (somewhat) faux outrage from the public/press, get radio play/playlisted online ("probably even 'ironic' addition from the hipster music crowd"). The song will be an earworm, and aside from the musicians that hear all the flaws, the passive every day mom and pop listeners will get the hook stuck in their head and it'll just be another great tune like any other.

I don't think we'll replace 'celebrity', I think that'll still happen, and I think maybe greater appreciation will happen to 'real musicians' (with a face!). But 'everyday' disposable pop (like all those one hit wonder tunes that are still played in nightclubs, pubs, throwback radio, wedding discos) - that's going to be disrupted massively.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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I don't know much music theory but the chord progression in the first 4 bars it seems to deliberately miss the final chord, which leaves us without resolution. The next chord sounds like a change but we don't know what the root it is going to (so any chord would make sense, may it be a minor 6th or 3rd). Then there's this pedal note that is through the whole tune. It can be a tonic or a 7th so very ambiguous.

It reminds me of some musicians that try to comp songs that they don't know (neither the theme melody or chords). Play this way they can easily add one or two notes from the keyboard to a big 7 major/minor/dominant chord and seem to follow the song's chord progression, while the singer will add colour and melody. The audience's brain will fill the gap by themselves.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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I don't know much music theory but the chord progression in the first 4 bars it seems to deliberately miss the final chord, which leaves us without resolution. The next chord sounds like a change but we don't know what the root it is going to (so any chord would make sense, may it be a minor 6th or 3rd). Then there's this pedal note that is through the whole tune. It can be a tonic or a 7th so very ambiguous. It remi…

You “don’t know much music theory”, just more than 99% of the world…

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These songs don't have any hooks. Melodies don't get repeated. They all just meander along. I think as they get better at making these great middle of the road songs, edgy music will reemerge. Whatever AI will be good at, will immediately devalue, in the realm of arts. Just how photography gave way to non-realistic art and how drum machines made sloppy drums (or ridiculous apex twins) hip. Then, the artifacts we see…

> drum machines made sloppy drums (or ridiculous apex twins) hip. Other than The White Stripes, what popular bands have had clearly unskilled drummers? I actually enjoy listening to more amateur music, so this might be a request for recommendations of a sort.

> Other than The White Stripes, what popular bands have had clearly unskilled drummers?

I want to joke and say Lars from Metallica but I'd be lying. He was a decent drummer in the first couple albums.

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To me the feeling of AI generated content is less "slop" and more "in-flight magazine". It can have a surface sheen of quality that you can lure you in, but you realise it's devoid of any vitality or soul.

Isn't that the real Turing test - does it feel like it has a soul?

Beware the cleverness of the Turing test!

It is a test that selects for the ability to deceive.

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These songs don't have any hooks. Melodies don't get repeated. They all just meander along. I think as they get better at making these great middle of the road songs, edgy music will reemerge. Whatever AI will be good at, will immediately devalue, in the realm of arts. Just how photography gave way to non-realistic art and how drum machines made sloppy drums (or ridiculous apex twins) hip. Then, the artifacts we see…

> These songs don't have any hooks. Melodies don't get repeated. They all just meander along.

I've been playing around with it for a few days now. While I agree that it seems impossible to create songs with a more "sophisticated structure" (for lack of a better word off the top of my head), you still can get better results by fine-tuning, as is always the case.

If you just request "rock music" or "jazz", you get very dull, generic variants of the requested style. But on a second thought, isn't that exactly what should happen? You throw all the rock music on this planet in a blender, turn it on, and what you get is the most average rock music there is.

If you spend some time spicing up your prompt with flowery language or just a bunch of adjectives, you can get a sound that seems less bland. When you supply lyrics, using square brackets to denote verses, chorus and bridges can also result in a somewhat more structured song, but I found that the AI is pretty lackluster in that regard and you often need several attempts until it follows these inline orders.

So yes, in its current form it has mostly a novelty factor, this is Stable Diffusion for music, but I can easily see this being useful for a small indie gamedev who needs some BGM, or an alternative to the YouTube music library. Instrumental sounds fine, it's mostly vocals that have this clear digital distortion if you pay attention. It's surprisingly good, but still bad.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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For me all art I enjoy has some aspect of connection to someone that's sharing my human experience. If we get AGI, I could imagine feeling something towards the art such an entity creates, since a big part of the human experience that we would probably share with an AGI is inescapable death. But for today's "AI" generated music, I feel the same towards it as I would towards the random step function output of a given…

> sounds cool, now what can we do with that to make it into music? So a human using the tools of sound production is what transforms the function output into music. (Please let me know if I’m misunderstanding you). I think I see what you’re saying, but that’s already happened here hasn’t it? I mean, it's not as though an AI made the decision to generate this all by itself, a human had an idea to create this piece and…

When I go up to the self-service booth in McDonalds, go through the menu and select a portion of McNuggets the result food has been made, the food was only made because of my actions, no nuggets would have been made if I specifically didn't want them, but to say I am the one who cooked them would be absurd.

Like, if Trent Reznor had produced Hurt not by putting his doubts, self loathing and pain into words and music, rather by typing "sad, trending on artstation" into a console then heading for lunch, I don't think it would be any way as meaningful even if it was note for note beat for beat the same output.

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Meanwhile, Hatsune Miku remains popular. There are even concerts.

Hatsune Miku has more in common with Gorillaz than AI slop.

I did consider mentioning Gorillaz, but they are voiced by actual people, whereas Miku is software synthesis. The suggestion was that "the cause of a person singing is their mental states", but there is no person singing here and therefore no mental states in the singer - it's just Vocaloid.

Meanwhile, "To what extent can a piece of art be a thing that is of interest in itself, divorced from its creator, context, or any representation of anything in particular?" is absolutely a valid area for people to explore and one that artists are exploring all the time. There is now one more tool to play with in the toolbox.

I heard the exact same objections to the modtracker scene three decades ago - "it's just computer generated slop, I'm not interested unless it's a real person performing on real instruments". I maintain that not only was it a perfectly valid mode of expression then, but tools like Ableton grew in part from those experiences and are an integral part of much - most? - music now.

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