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Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by overstay8930 » Sat, Apr 06, 2024, 9:10 PM UTC

nickburns wrote: post #209

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Do you want a list of them? https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2021/02/android-devic... Again, android is a security shithole because of what you want to happen to iOS.

the universe is a "security shithole" unless one can competently protect oneself or have a competent protector/s do it for them. i certainly don't feel like Apple nor Alphabet is in any vested position to protect me any more competently than i would at least want to have the option to try do for myself. how this post even otherwise tumbled down the 'iPhone versus Droid' bottomless pit is missing that point entirely.…

Apple absolutely has an incentive to protect their customers. There’s a reason Android has the horrible reputation it does now, and it’s because Google didn’t give a fuck.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by nickpp » Sun, Apr 07, 2024, 1:31 PM UTC

Rinzler89 wrote: post #203

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> Why in the name of Christ do we need closed platforms? Is it hard for you to accept the fact that other people make different choices? The market has spoken already and Apples success indicates that yes, people do want closed platforms as well. Pretending iOS's security is not the best on the market right now is simply being in denial. But I am not arguing for closed solutions. I am arguing for an ecosystem with bo…

>Europe was keeping up with USA just fine until about 15 years ago. Keeping up how? let's go back 15 years ago: All the top GPUs were American, all the top CPUs were American, all the top SW companies were American, all the successful mobile platforms were American(Nokia was dying), all the top social media platforms were American, all the top PC manufacturers were American(and Chinese), all top semiconductor makers…

> Where was Europe keeping up exactly?

EU's per-capita GDP growth was aligned to USA's.

> You really are clueless.

I live in EU and I've been running software startups for over 20 years now, while doing angel/seed-investments on the side. Never encountered any issues from lack of funding or fragmented markets. Tons of problems from regulations though. Labor regs are the most onerous, but recent high-tech ones come close, even if I haven't reach the growth stage to be heavily impacted yet.

> Please tell me exactly which specific EU regulations

Again, have you ever built anything?! Regulations break startups in other ways, not only directly. Running a startup is like running on a track. Regulations are like potholes: they can break your legs if you fall in one, but even if you are agile and maneuver around them they will slow you down and tire you out until you simply give up.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by nickpp » Sun, Apr 07, 2024, 1:38 PM UTC

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #187

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> You can vote And of course I did. None of the politicians I voted for won. Turns out proposing populist measures, like "be tough on those evil multinational corporations" is much more electable than saying uncomfortable truths like "EU is falling behind on tech - we need to lower taxation and reduce regulation if we want to have a fighting chance of catching up". > What you have zero of is knowledge of how the EU w…

Welcome to democracy: you get one vote among millions. If you want more influence you can convince and organise other people, or run for office, but no individual voter gets to dictate anything.

Thank you. And this is why capitalism is such a great complement to democracy: it fixes policy failures. This is also why socialism is so dangerous under democracy: policy failures spill over and break the economy as well.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by shiroiushi » Mon, Apr 08, 2024, 4:20 AM UTC

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #188

shiroiushi wrote: post #109

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It's not a dictatorship, though: you're free to buy an Android phone like me. Just like you're free to buy a shirt from Uniqlo or H&M or wherever instead of Louis Vuitton. Microsoft has something much, much closer to a dictatorship, but I haven't seen much action on regulating them; the only thing that finally reigned them in (a little) was the move to web apps.

Yes so what happens when Uniqlo or H&M starts dictating which items you can wear together or on what days you can wear them? You're entirely missing the point. Tech companies don't get to dictate what we can do with their products. I don't know why that is so hard to understand. You think that going to a competitor is the answer but the competitor is doing the same thing and so would every company over time because i…

>Yes so what happens when Uniqlo or H&M starts dictating which items you can wear together or on what days you can wear them?

You go find a new clothing store.

>You're entirely missing the point. Tech companies don't get to dictate what we can do with their products.

No, I'm not, and yes, sometimes they do, if you agree to it. Lots of enterprise vendors dictate how their customers can use their products.

>You think that going to a competitor is the answer but the competitor is doing the same thing and so would every company over time

No, they aren't doing the same thing. I can use other app stores (or side-loaded apps) on Android right now. Why is this SO hard for you to understand? No, there's no evidence this is going to change. If it does, then you have a very good reason for government to step in and force changes.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by kubb » Mon, Apr 08, 2024, 8:19 PM UTC

HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #184

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And yet for centuries, the freedom of the sociopaths, as you described them, was valued higher than the freedom of gay people. We decided that we should protect the latter from the former by restricting the ability of religious people to act in accordance with their worldview very recently.

So?

So your “good faith” is an arbitrary criterion and doesn’t change anything.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by shiroiushi » Wed, Apr 17, 2024, 2:16 AM UTC

nickpp wrote: post #169

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> I actually live in the EU. We (the citizens) have zero control over that regulatory body. ZERO. None of those represent me and I have no way of influencing them in any way. Start here: https://elections.europa.eu/en/

Do you think I didn't vote?! Do you really believe a single vote changes anything when populist politicians promise to fleece "evil foreign corporations" while giving free money to their constituents?

Democracy isn't a silver bullet, and doesn't work well when the voters are stupid and make bad choices. IMO, it really requires an educated and reasonable populace to work out well. Otherwise, you get what we're seeing in the US and Hungary lately.