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Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by pizza234 »

Wytwwww wrote: post #128
jokethrowaway wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like you are describing fentanyl. You can do a lot of enjoyable things while high and you generally don't collapse to the ground when smoking weed. Cannabis is a tool, if you misuse it, you can waste your entire life - but it's heaps better than sugar or alchol, especially if you avoid smoking it (which destroys your lungs). Edibles or vapes are much better. If you use it well, it can be a good aid to relax…

> better than sugar Maybe let's not get ahead of ourselves... sugar when consumed in moderation and with enough fiber/etc. is not really an issue. Also a lot depends on how you chose to consume cannabis if you're smoking it, it's no better than tobacco (besides that you're likely to do that way less frequently).

>> better than sugar

> Maybe let's not get ahead of ourselves... sugar when consumed in moderation and with enough fiber/etc. is not really an issue

Yes, but addictiveness is the issue. In my personal experience, light drugs have comparatively low addictiveness (compared to "drugs-non-drugs" like nicotine and alcohol), while sugar (/junk food) has a much higher one.

If I happen to consume more than usual, I find sugar (/junk food) really hard to cut, but not light drugs.

Keep in mind that a vast majority of Americans are overweight or obese. Under the addictiveness angle, one can say that the majority of the American population has an addiction, and it's to junk food, more than light drugs.

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Post by zug_zug »

Reading this thread there are clearly a lot of HN users who are fairly out-of-touch with weed. Which is totally fine, but in case you do decide at some point you want to try it here's what I'd throw out there for you:

I think almost everybody can enjoy it, perhaps in the top 5% of safest drugs of all (cannot die from any amount, no interactions I know of, no hangover). I think it will replace alcohol as people learn to have a good time with it.

- Start small. (.5mg THC : 1.5 CBD would be reasonable).

- Start with higher ratios of CBD to THC to make sure you have a good time. Basically the amount of THC is the amount of trippiness/woah/anxiety and the CBD is the amount of calmness. Dispensaries will give consistent product, in terms of labeling the ratios and those ratios being correct.

- Give 90-120 minutes for an edible to kick in.

- If you're already an anxious person do it in a place you can feel totally comfortable and safe

- Maybe have some pure CBD oil (purchasable at most grocery stores) to dial the whole thing back if it becomes too much. It won't make you sober, but it will help stop you mind from "racing" (whether from THC/anxiety/whatever). Also a great cure for headaches.

- I don't recommend it if you're underage, or if your brain feels too haywire. I do recommend it for people who are overly-intense nerds who would join the CIA and find the world very black-and-white.

- If you have a nice place where you can eat some healthy food, stretch outside in the sun, listen to birds, without fear of being bothered by cops / whatever, then that sounds like a great time. Maybe bring along a very trusted friend. It won't make you have a good time, but a lot of things you already enjoy will feel more enriching.

- There's a bunch of other standard advice online too (hydrate, etc, all important).

- Everybody reacts differently, don't let anybody else's preferences override your own. Do the amount you want of what you want, only when you want. Never push it onto people, even if you love it, and don't hang out with people who push.

That above description is overpreparation for something that you might not even notice the first time you have it, but it's kind of like skiing, better to start slow -- if you've got time on your hands it's better to be patient -- otherwise it's entirely possible to have a bad time quickly (particularly for nerds, I find nerdier friends have like up to 10x the reaction to weed as non-nerdy friends).

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Post by shmeeed »

DonHopkins wrote: post #85

Oh I just can't wait for all the wunderbar cannabis strains to come out of Germany: Zwischenrauchgenusserlebnisgrünblattsorte (Inter-smoke-enjoyment-green-leaf-variety): Das ist für die Zwischendurch Raucher. Machst du happy ohne zu viel Trubel. Gutes Grünblatt! Wolkenkuckucksheimtraumwolkenpuff (Cloud-cuckoo-land-dream-cloud-puff):Dieses bringt dich hoch, hoch, bis zu den Wolken! Man träumt schön und fühlt sich wie…

Seems like somebody's a lover of our awful language! Made me laugh, thanks :)

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Post by wellYeahbruh »

carschno wrote: post #182

While scanning the comments, I observe one recurring argument against the step of legalizing weed: (excessive) use can and will have catastrophic psychological consequences on some of the consumers. I totally agree. It is, however a flawed argument in the context of legalization. One of the arguments for the legalization by the health ministry is that prohibition has been ineffective, factually not avoiding or even r…

That and capitalism, airplanes, industrial messes cause cancer and more, cars, alcohol, guns, war, famine, poverty, all maim kill, ruin lives and we keep all these things we invented through history.

But ooo man the moral panic over plants nature provides

It all just screams fake moral outrage to keep people buying man-made vices

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Post by trallnag »

jakupovic wrote: post #204
jll29 wrote: post #103

I watched other people smoke cannabis, and after producing some foul fumes, they were just passively lying on the floor with a stare of apathy. I decided to NEVER try this, and to this day I have no regrets; I enjoy being in full control of my senses (I also do not drink alcohol and do not smoke). The only thing hallucinating in my place is neural language models that I do research on. However, I do support the legal…

Wow you need to step out of your parents basement and experience more of the world rather than made up "models" you play with. I'm sure you don't eat different foods or don't try different spices because of reasons. In any case people like you shouldn't be allowed to judge others and impose any rules on anyone but themselves.

> people like you But other people are allowed to judge?

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Post by pinkgolem »

hkwerf wrote: post #53
pinkgolem wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am living in Germany and am planning to grow some. I do not see 1) at all, laws are pretty reasonable all around

My comments were based on the expert opinions given during the legislative process. I personally don't plan to grow. Good to hear that it's okay for you. :)

Not sure which experts you are referring to, the ones I heard about it are pretty happy

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Post by goosedragons »

jijijijij wrote: post #201
georgeplusplus wrote: post #195

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My main issue since legalization is I find the smell disgusting. It also imbues and latches itself onto to whatever is around you. Now legalization has people smoking it in my apartment complex or at restaurants and the smell just lingers around my house or on your clothes when your near it. And then Every weed smoker I brought this up to told me tough luck.

> My main issue since legalization is I find the smell disgusting. Tough luck. I also dislike coffee breath, cigarette smoke, the smell of energy drinks, cinnamon chewing gum, perfumes, beer, dog shit, fertilizers, some garden flowers, car exhausts, ... But on the bright side, there will be more variety in weed strains. They do smell differently. Some really are nasty, some are very pleasant. I absolutely love the sm…

Come on. Only really cigarette smoke and fertilizer is remotely comparable. And the latter is pretty rare unless you live in the country.

There's no such thing as a "pleasant" weed smoke. You only like it because you're smoking it.

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Post by Wytwwww »

pizza234 wrote: post #211
Wytwwww wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> better than sugar Maybe let's not get ahead of ourselves... sugar when consumed in moderation and with enough fiber/etc. is not really an issue. Also a lot depends on how you chose to consume cannabis if you're smoking it, it's no better than tobacco (besides that you're likely to do that way less frequently).

>> better than sugar > Maybe let's not get ahead of ourselves... sugar when consumed in moderation and with enough fiber/etc. is not really an issue Yes, but addictiveness is the issue. In my personal experience, light drugs have comparatively low addictiveness (compared to "drugs-non-drugs" like nicotine and alcohol), while sugar (/junk food) has a much higher one. If I happen to consume more than usual, I find suga…

I think psychological dependence is a lot bigger concern for most people when talking about alcohol/weed or even sugar.

> Under the addictiveness angle, one can say that the majority of the American population has an addiction

That doesn't mean that junk food is inherently "addictive" and there are many other reasons for this.

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Post by sfmz »

ddorian43 wrote: post #156
jll29 wrote: post #103

I watched other people smoke cannabis, and after producing some foul fumes, they were just passively lying on the floor with a stare of apathy. I decided to NEVER try this, and to this day I have no regrets; I enjoy being in full control of my senses (I also do not drink alcohol and do not smoke). The only thing hallucinating in my place is neural language models that I do research on. However, I do support the legal…

Canabis doesn't cause hallucionations. It is often a misconception. They were doing something else most probably.

Weed can be classified as a depressant, stimulant, or hallucinogen (but never an opiate), according to the University of Maryland.

There's power-creep to consider. Modern weed isn't the weed of the 70s after all the cross-breeding. I've read about high schoolers acquiring cannibus-induced psychosis.

https://www.healthline.com/health/is-weed-a-depressant

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Post by [deleted] »

hkwerf wrote: post #53
pinkgolem wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am living in Germany and am planning to grow some. I do not see 1) at all, laws are pretty reasonable all around

My comments were based on the expert opinions given during the legislative process. I personally don't plan to grow. Good to hear that it's okay for you. :)

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