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Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
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#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple and Google are for-profit corporations. Im sure they would protest that they don't need saving
I want an iphone but if they want to end the industry i cant buy one
Then buy 51% of shares, do a hostile takeover and stop their anti-competitive madness before it is too late.
You don't need to do radical changes, just small actions like do not steal the tips students send to teachers.
Going full-goblin mode and demanding 30% of all the money that moves through a phone is what is destroying Apple.
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#213I’m so tired of this Apple tax, I think nobody would be this annoyed if Apple were saying 10% or something around that. 30% is more than most companies pay in tax on profits and this is a tax on revenue. I don’t think abusing your market position like some kind of protection racket should be allowed and if you don’t like it we’ll delete your App is quite frankly just as bad as the mafia smashing in shop windows. I do…
30% isn't some outlier share though? It also has been that way since the beginning, so it's not like they achieved their market position and then jacked up the prices; it's been this way the whole time - and, in fact, they've added programs where smaller businesses only pay a 15% commission..
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#214The joke, what do you have when you have a group of lawyers up to their necks in dog shit? Not enough dog shit... It's just so insane how fast lawyers can bring the image, will and industry at large to it's knees. I think Apple's legal team should really take a hint (and a hit) from all of us in this industry. You're hurting Apple and the entire dev community more than you're helping.
It's entirely possible that Apple's legal team advised the executives of this outcome and more generally the risks involved with the Epic ban move, but were ignored as a strategic decision.
I doubt its had any impact at all to iphone sales or their service subscriptions.
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#215I’m so tired of this Apple tax, I think nobody would be this annoyed if Apple were saying 10% or something around that. 30% is more than most companies pay in tax on profits and this is a tax on revenue. I don’t think abusing your market position like some kind of protection racket should be allowed and if you don’t like it we’ll delete your App is quite frankly just as bad as the mafia smashing in shop windows. I do…
> I think nobody would be this annoyed if Apple were saying 10% or something around that. 30% is more than most companies pay in tax on profits
Almost every developer pays 15%. You only pay 30% if you earn more than a million dollars a year from the App Store.
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#216Between this and the PWA decision, Apple seems to be flailing. What is leadership doing?
Culture is a very hard thing to change at any company, including in the face of existential threats. Look at what's happening at Google with AI.
"We are a walled garden and will not interoperate or tolerate alternatives" is in Apple's DNA, and no decision maker at any level at the company will risk suggesting otherwise for fear of being branded a traitor, even if it is a very good idea.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
They want to minimize the amount of control lost. You cant find the limit without testing the limit.
They seem to maximizing the amount of face lost though. If you act like a bully, and then recede at the slightest resistance, you just come off looking like a fool.
This will all blow over in a week. But once the control is lost, it’s gone forever.
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#218> And the minimal assurances in Mr. Sweeney’s curt response were swiftly undercut by a litany of public attacks on Apple’s policies, compliance plan, and business model. So according to Apple [edit] one isn't allowed to say bad things about a company publicly or they are allowed to ban your account? Interesting view.
I’m not defending Apple’s stance here, but I think the point they were making is that Epic had already admitted to intentionally breaking their previous agreements with Apple for their own gain. The court then ruled that Apple could ban Epic for any reason. Sweeney essentially called the new terms illegitimate while at the same time entering a new agreement where those terms applied to Epic. It’s somewhat understandable that, when seeing that, Apple would not trust Epic to not intentionally break the rules again.
I personally think it’s silly to believe that Apple cares even a little about Epic’s criticism. They probably thought they had a legitimate case that would let them stomp out a potential big App Store competitor before it could get off the ground.
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#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple is in the wrong here, at least in my opinion, but equating the ability to have a 2nd app store on your iPhone and the end of democracy is... wow. Edit: Misread the comment, sorry.
He didn't say anything about the end of democracy. Apparently the media zeitgeist is so strong with this now that even just saying "Democracy" triggers the thought. All he said is that it's the democratically elected officals that decide what laws companies have to obey. Just as they decide everything else about what what laws people have to obey.
>He didn't say anything about the end of democracy.
You're right! I misread.
>Apparently the media zeitgeist is so strong with this now that even just saying "Democracy" triggers the thought.
Or I just misread the comment.
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#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
As was said, this is normal in the US. Private businesses can refuse service to anyone for any reason. There's that paint color that is allowed to be used by all but one person because the inventor doesn't like them. On the other hand, I'm definitely not saying this is okay or sane just because it's standard practice in the US. It's also how we got legalized segregation and we had to pass laws carving out exceptions…
> Private businesses can refuse service to anyone for any reason. There are enough really obvious counterexamples to that statement that I wonder why you'd write it.
Like the ones they went into in the following sentence?