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Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets
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So... Indentured slavery?
No, the choice to learn in American institutions, make tons of American money, and live the American dream. None of those things should benefit a country that we are in direct competition with.
Slavery is wrong, becoming an international student to get a world-class education and work in the center of the tech industry is not. Comparing them is very silly.
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
Skimming through it I was confused. - No homegrown semiconductor industry: isn’t the recent hand-wringing over the new Huawei chips proof of the opposite? - No interest in training LLMs? Is that true? I thought Baidu was already on it? In fact at every major AI conferences, Chinese R&D groups like Baidu and Ant group are major participants (and sponsors). I am talking about conferences like NeurIPS and AAAI, which bo…
There's also a lot of research papers in AI coming out of Chinese universities.
Also I have seen some papers on Arxiv from FAANG companies that have a half-dozen or more co-authors, and almost all of those authors have Chinese names.
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#214What exactly sterling secrets looks like? Suppose I work on a video streaming service. Spent 8 years. Now I know in and out of it. The ffmpeg the queues the buckets the meta data and what not. Someone hires me. I build a steaming service. But this time I'm much more polished and faster. Is this stealing too?
There is not exact definition. Real world is messy.
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
exactly, this guy understands how business in China works.
How do you imagine this works, western government can’t manage potholes but CCP beurocrats can manage AI, Car production and solar panel production and beat our companies? Are they superhuman?
I've worked for a Chinese company and with Chinese company partners, but I am not Chinese, so my understanding is probably very, very incomplete. The way it seems to work is that the "influence" from the CCP scales with the size/success of the company. Every business in China operates at the very least with consent of the government. As they get more and more successful, they gain a little more influence/encouragement/cooperation with government. By the time they are giant, successful companies, they're all but an appendage of the government. Hard to explain as an American because we don't have similar "quasi-government" institutions like this. I guess it would be a little like the Federal Reserve--it's technically not the government, but works hand-in-hand with the government.
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Maybe you should look at some compsci papers coming out of US universities, and tell us what percentage of those are authored by Indian and Chinese students.
> authored by Indian and Chinese students There's no reason for xenophobia. Plenty of ethnic Chinese and Indian people become or aim to become US citizens, and contribute. 30-40 years ago it was Russians, Israelis, and Japanese who were the stereotypical foreigner in graduate STEM programs. You'll also notice a direct correlation between Chinese visa backlogs and the rising return of Chinese expats to China in the 20…
We don’t have a single domestic TA in the department I’m matriculated in
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Did that person just go around disclosing their plan?
I think if someone actually had government handlers asking them to do this, most of those people wouldn't blab about it to their school chums. But there's a subset of people with grandiose delusions / general behavior problems who feel a compulsion to tell everyone about their grand plans/machinations to become rich and powerful.
> someone actually had government handlers
It most likely wasn't a Handler/MSS type espionage.
It was most likely trying to grab IP to found a domestic competitor, and raise a Seed round from local government accelerators like those Beijing and Hangzhou have.
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> It's similar to the Israeli program in the 90s (who's name I'm blanking out on EDIT: Yozma) because just like China in the 2000s-early 2010s, there wasn't a notable private sector VC industry yet. Quite an allegation... any reference to them sponsoring/encouraging stealing IP or am I misreading and you simply meant it's a government sponsored startup accelerator program?
It's not really that damaging. Israel never recognized American software or pharmaceutical patents, and most countries do some form of Industrial Espionage (France is fairly notable in the space as well [4]). The wildest cases tended to be back in the 1990s, when Israel was trying to build a domestic armament industry, notably by stealing American IP and selling it to the Chinese [0][1][2][3] (most modern Chinese wea…
Did you mean Ehud Olmert? I don’t believe Ehud Barak was ever arrested.
Also, not to nitpick, but would appreciate publicly accessible articles… from the abstracts I can only assume these are summaries made in the 90s of pre-90s shenanigans
EDIT: saw now the edits with 3-4, will look at when I have time (thanks!)
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This dystopian vision would require lighting the Fourth Amendment on fire and lead to widespread human rights violations of innocent people. Is corporate espionage a problem? Of course it is. Is it worth abandoning the principles of a free society for? Absolutely not.
Citizens should always be incredibly insulated from any sort of government interference, I agree. The Constitution should be ratified so any time it mentions “people” or “persons” it instead says “citizens”. We need a separate document that applies to non-citizens.