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U.S. students will take the SAT online

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Post by mynameisnoone »

bombcar wrote: post #147
donmcronald wrote: post #133

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That's crazy because I imagine cheating is trivial for those that want to do it. All you would need is a clean install, an HDMI splitter, and a tiny earbud stuffed in your ear. Then someone in an adjacent room can feed you answers. Even if they start making people put their ears up to the camera, that won't help much. Bone conducting headphones built into the arms of glasses will be virtually undetectable. Do you ban…

The point isn’t to stop all cheating, it’s to catch the most blatant idiots cheating. That’s really all that’s required.

Not good enough because the stakes are high for admissions, that is if they still choose to look at merit.

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Post by parpfish »

jobmeplease wrote: post #149
ghaff wrote: post #80

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Who is looking at your SAT score from 10 years ago?

I applied to Canonical a few months back and they made me write an essay describing my high school grades, extracurriculars, and test results. I've never had that experience in any other job app so it's pretty Canonical specific but it does happen.

i worked at one startup that decided to emulate the Canonical interview process because one of the managers was the kind of guy that loved cargo-culting this kind of stuff. he decided to start doing these interviews without coordinating with the rest of the hiring team.

it's one thing for a large company to do these kind of interview when the interviewee is knows what they're getting into, but it feels very different when a you're interviewing at a random early-stage startup and out of nowhere this guy starts asking you invasive personal questions. it really starts pushing the boundaries of legal interview questions.

anyway... this guy has since founded his own company writes inane linkedin-friendly blog posts filled with inspirational stories about "leadership" that make me gag.

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Post by germinalphrase »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #208
germinalphrase wrote: post #110

As a former educator, I look forward to the day that we can simply track student ability in a trustable manner based on long term data collection in the classroom rather than requiring these additional, often expensive, exams. We would need to mediate our classroom interactions more than we do now - but the tools do so usefully are there if packaged correctly.

With what, a standardized curriculum? That is a hell of a can of worms as you probably know. Apply an AI agent to the sum total of student output? Can't wait for the entrenched racial bias to leak into the AI and a host of other issues. If you could get an AI implemented that didn't involve reporting to the greater regulatory bodies, I can see that working, but that's the issue with things like that: management wants…

No standardized curriculum. Utilize the instructor’s curriculum and a local, live transcription of the instructor to continuously create assessment content that can be rapidly curated and proctored within the flow of the lesson.

The vision is not as grand as your last paragraph.

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Post by cyberax »

bee_rider wrote: post #20
AustinDev wrote: post #9

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I don't know if they'll have a software based 'anti-cheat' but you could be completely undetectable using this method: HDMI out into splitter from graphics card or tablet, whatever. Use secondary box to ingest video and spit out answers on an alternate display.

Hypothetically they could require that you use a device with an included monitor (laptop, tablet) and require that no HDMI cable is plugged it. This won’t protect against somebody who is willing to open the device up and probe the embedded DisplayPort (or whatever standard) pins, but that’s probably beyond the ability or interest of most people. I don’t like any of this; if I were asked to install some school spyware…

> This won’t protect against somebody who is willing to open the device up and probe the embedded DisplayPort (or whatever standard) pins

Much easier: a webcam with a telephoto lens hidden in a lighting fixture.

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Post by Retric »

listenallyall wrote: post #192
ipython wrote: post #152

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Sounds like you should have bled all over the computer and let them deal with it. The lack of empathy they showed is abhorrent. Ugh. I’m sorry to hear that.

That's like suggesting you trash a hotel room because of some grievance with corporate policy. What actually happens is some innocent housekeeper gets stuck cleaning up the mess you made. The local test proctors are tasked with following very strict procedures and not given any room for discretion, especially if the testee isn't voluntarily withdrawing. It has nothing to do with an individual lack of empathy.

> What actually happens is some innocent housekeeper gets stuck cleaning up the mess you made.

Thus costing the company money which, was the ultimate goal.

One person doing this can be thought of as an asshole, when a meaningful percent of people behave this way you get actual change and or lawsuits.

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Post by frozenport »

bombcar wrote: post #147
donmcronald wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's crazy because I imagine cheating is trivial for those that want to do it. All you would need is a clean install, an HDMI splitter, and a tiny earbud stuffed in your ear. Then someone in an adjacent room can feed you answers. Even if they start making people put their ears up to the camera, that won't help much. Bone conducting headphones built into the arms of glasses will be virtually undetectable. Do you ban…

The point isn’t to stop all cheating, it’s to catch the most blatant idiots cheating. That’s really all that’s required.

   The point isn’t to stop all cheating, it’s to catch the most blatant idiots cheating.
What? No the point is to catch all cheaters.

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Post by dylan604 »

tzs wrote: post #178
dylan604 wrote: post #83

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As stated: "You were awarded +5 for correct answers and -4 for incorrect or skipped questions." Answer question 1 correctly: +5 Skip question 2: -4 Answer question 3 correctly: +5 Net score: +6 If skipped were just ignored, the net score would be +10.

It's still equivalent to "normal" tests, because the cost of skipping and the cost of answering incorrectly are the same. A test in that format with N questions and a test in the normal "1 point for a correct answer, 0 for anything else" with N questions are related as follows, assuming C correct answers: Score in the +5/-4 system: 5 C - 4 (N-C) = 9 C - 4 N Score in the +1/0 system: 1 C + 0 It's basically a "9 points…

how many normal tests would ever result in a negative score? it's quite devastating to any shred of morale one might have. test had 80 questions so a max score of 400. i personally never witnessed someone receiving anything over 300.

you're really trying to make something into something it is not.

for the curious, here's an example test: https://bryantheath.com/files/2021/02/Q104.pdf

edit: you only get 10 minutes to take the test

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Post by alistairSH »

itishappy wrote: post #33

My friend took an important law school exam (GRE or BAR, not sure which) in the past 2 years that was self administered, and she described her experience as "harrowing." The kernel level malware they installed to monitor the exam crashed her device 4 times during the exam. This was after she got it running on a secondary device because it wouldn't even start on her M1 MacBook Air. The software recorded her screen and…

And that same (or similar) test software doesn’t have any accessibility features for those with limited vision. And if you mention it to the company, they brush you off. They have the contract to gate-keep certain careers, what’re you going to do? Fucking slimeballs.

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Post by huytersd »

bombcar wrote: post #147
donmcronald wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's crazy because I imagine cheating is trivial for those that want to do it. All you would need is a clean install, an HDMI splitter, and a tiny earbud stuffed in your ear. Then someone in an adjacent room can feed you answers. Even if they start making people put their ears up to the camera, that won't help much. Bone conducting headphones built into the arms of glasses will be virtually undetectable. Do you ban…

The point isn’t to stop all cheating, it’s to catch the most blatant idiots cheating. That’s really all that’s required.

It will just catch the dumbest and most people will cheat successfully. Just catching the most blarant and naive is stupid when the alternative of people being supervised in a physical room means there is next to no cheating at all.
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