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The only one who embarrass themselves is the overreaching DEI/RAI team in Google, nobody else does.
Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
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#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
tbh i think it's less a political issue than a technical/product management one what does a "board member" look like? probably you can benefit by offering more than 50 year old white man in suit. if that's what an ai trained on all human knowledge thinks, maybe we can do some adjustment what does a samurai warrior look like? probably is a little more race-related
> what does a samurai warrior look like? probably is a little more race-related If you ask Hollywood, it looks like Tom Cruise with a beard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Last_Samurai.jpg
Interestingly, The Last Samurai was extremely popular in Japan. It sold more tickets in Japan than the US (even though the US population was over 2x as large in 2003). This is in stark contrast with basically every other Western movie representation of Japan (edit: I think Letters from Iwo Jima was also well received and for somewhat similar reasons).
From what I understand, they of course knew that it was alternative history (aka a completely fictional universe), but they strongly related to the larger themes of national pride, duty, and honor.
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#213Prompt: draw a picture of a fish and chips shop owner from queensland who is also a politician Results: https://twitter.com/jbarham74/status/1760587123844124894
My opinion, that is made up.
I am commenting on etiquette, not the subject at hand: You could be more convincing and better received on this forum by giving a reason for you opinion. Espcially since most people reading won't have even opened the above link.
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#214For context: There was an outcry in social media after Gemini refused to generate images of white people, leading deeply inaccurate in historic sense images being generated. Though the issue might be more nuanced than the mainstream narrative, it had some hilarious examples. Of course the politically sensitive people are waging war over it. Here are some popular examples: https://dropover.cloud/7fd7ba
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#215> Of course the politically sensitive people are waging war over it. Just like politically sensitive people waged war over Google identifying an obscured person as a Gorilla. Its just a silly mistake, how could anyone get upset over that?
No one is upset that an algorithm accidentally generated some images, they are upset that Google intentionally designed it to misrepresent reality in the name of Social Justice.
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#216How much of this do they do to their search results?
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#217For context: There was an outcry in social media after Gemini refused to generate images of white people, leading deeply inaccurate in historic sense images being generated. Though the issue might be more nuanced than the mainstream narrative, it had some hilarious examples. Of course the politically sensitive people are waging war over it. Here are some popular examples: https://dropover.cloud/7fd7ba
" a friend at google said he knew gemini was this bad...but couldn't say anything until today (he DMs me every few days). lots of ppl in google knew. but no one really forced the issue obv and said what needed to be said google is broken " Razib Khan, https://twitter.com/razibkhan/status/1760545472681267521
"when i was there it was so sad to me that none of the senior leadership in deepmind dared to question this ideology
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i watched my colleagues at nvidia (like @tunguz), openai (roon), etc. who were literally doing stuff that would get you kicked out of google on a daily basis and couldn't believe how different google is"
Aleksa Gordić, https://x.com/gordic_aleksa/status/1760266452475494828
Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues
#218I think the idea/argument for "wokeness" (God I hate that word) in these models is stupid. It shows the user is just lazy/doesn't understand the technology their using.
These image generation models have no historical/cultural context, nor should they. With bland average prompts that lack context they give bland average outputs that lack context. If you want specific context in your output, construct your prompt to build that in.
This is akin to going to a deli in New York, ordering a bacon egg and cheese, and being mad it wasn't on a everything bagel with ketchup... You didn't ask for that in your prompt. In turn you got a generic output.
If you want an all white burly Canadian hockey team, ask for it specifically.
Google/OpenAI frankly have a hard enough time making sure these things don't spit out n words and swastikas (as what typical happens when things are trained from the internet).
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It's not the accuracy, the problem is that it refuses to create images of white people
exactly - if I asked it to generate an image of a historical figure, and the color was not accurate - that can (possibly) be explained by a bug or training error that might improve over time - but if I ask it to generate a picture of a 'typical white family' and it flat out refuses to, that is not an accident.
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#220> Of course the politically sensitive people are waging war over it. Just like politically sensitive people waged war over Google identifying an obscured person as a Gorilla. Its just a silly mistake, how could anyone get upset over that?
No one is upset that an algorithm accidentally generated some images, they are upset that Google intentionally designed it to misrepresent reality in the name of Social Justice.
You mean some people's interpretation of what social justice is.