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Another option for self medication is exercise. I've been an endurance exercise addict off and on for my whole life, it can take the place of many of your self medications, or if you can't give those up, it can at least nullify the sugar you are taking in by burning it off.
Just commenting to say I have the same experience.
The case against caffeine
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I eat food several times a day and it often improves my mood and ability to focus. Is this psychoactive and/or addiction?
It could be worse. What if it was a truly addictive, habit-forming, tolerance-building drug consumed on a habitual basis without ever allowing a full day, week, month, or year of detoxification to occur, regardless of its toxic properties? Does that sound more like addiction?
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#213What we really know for sure is this – sleep is good, anxiety is bad. So, if you aren't getting good sleep, find ways to fix it. And if you are anxious all the time, find ways to fix it. By one tradition that's thousands of years old – Yoga+Pranayama+Meditation (linking physical/mental_movement+breadth) and fasting + eating moderately (eat only if you are hungry and eat enough to quench hunger, and eat 'satvik' food)…
Do others not get a lot of headaches on caffeine? Yeah there's ones that come with going off caffeine, but the amount of headaches days I have a month plummets once off of the stuff.
If you consume roughly the same amount of caffeine at the same time each day, and go out of your way to drink more water, caffeine use won't cause headaches.
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#214If you're going to drink decaf, be sure to drink decaf prepared via the Swiss water method. It has the least additives, healthiest option and tastes pretty good.
The Ethyl Acetate (aka sugarcane) method is also good, as long as the resulting beans are complemented by the slight fruity flavor added by the process. There's a new plant in Colombia which makes some excellent coffees (provided they are roasted well). It can be difficult to find roasters who actually care about their decaf coffee beans - they are more difficult to roast and some roasters still turn up their nose at…
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#215What we really know for sure is this – sleep is good, anxiety is bad. So, if you aren't getting good sleep, find ways to fix it. And if you are anxious all the time, find ways to fix it. By one tradition that's thousands of years old – Yoga+Pranayama+Meditation (linking physical/mental_movement+breadth) and fasting + eating moderately (eat only if you are hungry and eat enough to quench hunger, and eat 'satvik' food)…
Do others not get a lot of headaches on caffeine? Yeah there's ones that come with going off caffeine, but the amount of headaches days I have a month plummets once off of the stuff.
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#216I recommend trying Yerba Mate as an alternative to coffee. At least for me it gives a way more balanced, long-lasting energy, rather than coffee which gives me a huge spike and then goes down fast & makes me anxious. Online I've seen lots of people have very similar experiences with it.
I'd say the regular process of mate drinking is like having a progressively dilluted coffee/tea , so I expect it to be mild...
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What’s funny to me is the degree to which i perceive people’s denial that caffeine and coffee get you incredibly high. I’m not sure if this is what you exactly meant by euphoric, but I sometimes experience similar things, and I find it funny that “don’t talk to me until I’ve had my cup of coffee” is a negatively phrased statement of “I’m gonna get high on caffeine then I’ll enjoy this conversation more”- as if societ…
That's not an accurate characterization. Don't talk to me until I've had my coffee is as much a statement about morning low body temperature/thirst and morning ritual as it is about caffeine addiction. There's a reason that warm showers in the morning wake you up and invigorate you. Plus coffee is delicious.
sometimes i drink (good) coffee and it's pleasant but probably because when i do, i know i'll get high... also i don't eat sugar except with fruits
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> I find the tone of the article a bit annoying. It reminds me of people on LinkedIn going on about how much better they feel since they gave up alcohol. I'm curious about this. I notice this sentiment on any topic where someone quit somebody else's drug of choice. Someone says they improved their life by dropping weed, the responses will be full of people telling you that alcohol is legal poison (nevermind that nobo…
I would flip that round and ask why people need to feel they have to talk about overcoming any personal problem on social media? Particular as I see it most often on LinkedIn which is supposed to be for business, and mostly used for business. Is it an appropriate venue to discuss something as personal as overcoming an addiction? The other thing is that there is a strong element of trying to encourage others to do the…
I think that's just like anything else: either for kicks or for clicks. Give people an outlet and they'll use it, either because it feels good or it makes them money or both.
To me the more interesting thing is why people feel compelled to engage, especially so when it comes to substances.
> Maybe sometimes, but quite a lot of the time there is an implicit, moralistic, criticism - the intent is very clearly "this is a bad thing to do" and everyone should stop doing it
I think people tend to perceive the "everyone should stop doing it" whether it's there or not with these topics. If I just say "I don't X", some portion of people will undoubtedly hear "and nobody else should either" and get their hackles up.
It's really just a topic best avoided if you don't want to offend people or risk making them think poorly of you, even if you aren't the one bringing it up. Which seems a little sad.
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It could be worse. What if it was a truly addictive, habit-forming, tolerance-building drug consumed on a habitual basis without ever allowing a full day, week, month, or year of detoxification to occur, regardless of its toxic properties? Does that sound more like addiction?
A necessary component of addiction as a disease is harm . Without that, the rest doesn’t matter.
That really widens the basket.
In a case like this I tend to focus on toxiciity alone, whether it is apparent or not, that is one of the known things that can creep up on you and do irreparable damage.
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> sleep is good, anxiety is bad. Sleep is not all good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersomnia Anxiety is not all bad: https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/43757 Sattvic food is not good for your health: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37085478/ and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35710164/
Both of those studies on foods consider only people who already have Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. One of them is about specifically sugary beverages, not whole fruit. Neither show “Sattvic food is not good for your health”.
That is 25% of US adults.
Fuits contain fructose (a poison) which is transformed to glucose by liver, because our bodies cannot use it directly. From this perspective, beverages that contain "high fructose corn syrup" like Coca Cola or many others are not distinguishable from fruits.