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Nine US states are teaming up to accelerate the adoption of heat pumps

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Re: Nine US states are teaming up to accelerate the adoption of heat pumps

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How well do they function? Do they provide nice consistent heat? How's the noise? Sorry to clog up HN with a random request of a product quality review but I'm in the market right now to replace my furnace as well. Thanks.

Heat pumps need to come with an electric heater because pumps stop working below 30 deg F.

Not true, mine goes down to 23F with negligible decrease in efficiency and still functions after that, but with reduced efficiency.

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I have an aging gas furnace that’s about due for replacement and a heat pump may be in the cards. Something I’ll need to research is how a heat pump would compare to electric heated flooring, though because the way my house’s HVAC system is set up the upper floor is heated before the lower floor, which exacerbates the natural temperature difference that results from heat rising and means the lower floor can be chilly…

You can do both. For example: https://www.arcticheatpumps.com/radiant-floor-heating-with-h...

Had heard of this and it’s cool, but would involve tossing my still-good AC unit which doesn’t feel great unless the installer offers trade-ins or something (which doesn’t seem likely).

Will consider going with a heat pump nonetheless.

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I just replaced a furnace... everyone I called for a quote would not touch a heat pump with a 20foot pole, or they wanted prices that were 2X what a separate furnace and AC would cost to install. It was very strange. This is the second home where I had this experience.. basically, they really did not want to install it. I ended up going with gas as no local person would install/warranty a heat pump, or, it was priced…

what were the justifications, did you ask out of curiosity for them to share what was driving their decisions?

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One of the big problems with heat pumps in New England is that our electricity costs 1.7x the US average ( https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.ph... ). If you're in the South, a heat pump makes perfect sense. You're going to want AC anyway and it'll be way more efficient and save a ton of money when you want heat. In most of the country, even if it gets cold your electricity prices are still a t…

Right, the heat pump will reduce energy use to maybe 1/3 of a gas furnace, but natural gas is something like 6x cheaper for the same amount of energy, so it is an expensive folly.

If California is serious about this, they need to reign in the utilities to reduce prices and or stop the attacks on solar installation.

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Has anyone found a good way to control all the features of a heat pump with home automation? I’ve been lookin at Daikin and Mitsubishi but Daikin no longer has an open api and I don’t see much on Mitubishi. It seems like every heat pump comes with its own proprietary remote, and the thermostats and Wi-Fi modules (if available) don’t integrate well.

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One of the big problems with heat pumps in New England is that our electricity costs 1.7x the US average ( https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.ph... ). If you're in the South, a heat pump makes perfect sense. You're going to want AC anyway and it'll be way more efficient and save a ton of money when you want heat. In most of the country, even if it gets cold your electricity prices are still a t…

Alright, maybe I’m out of touch, but I don’t think electricity is expensive in California. Even during 115 degree heatwaves in a 70-year-old, 3-bedroom, single-family home. Most I paid was $100 in a month with 2 people with gaming computers working from home. Not everyone has that kind of money, but my point is that most people have cell service and other services which add up to more than electricity costs. That’s f…

How? It's $0.52/kwh here, and before that rate increase, we were paying (edit) $278/mo in the summer for similar (70 year old 3 bedroom house), and slightly lower temepratures.

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Every home in America should have a Heat Recovery Ventilator. They are extremely simple mechanically, yet because of their rarity they are still way to expensive to justify the cost instead of just opening a window. Policy could help a lot here.

Re: Nine US states are teaming up to accelerate the adoption of heat pumps

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I just replaced a furnace... everyone I called for a quote would not touch a heat pump with a 20foot pole, or they wanted prices that were 2X what a separate furnace and AC would cost to install. It was very strange. This is the second home where I had this experience.. basically, they really did not want to install it. I ended up going with gas as no local person would install/warranty a heat pump, or, it was priced…

That sounds like a fantastic opportunity for a fresh company to take over the market. Heat as a service. It costs about 2kUSD to get air to air exchange heatpump installed here (minisplit, includes the cost of the pump, EU). Takes approx 3 hours.

Yes, HVAC contractors in the US massively overcharge.

I saved ~ 10k doing the install myself. The equipment is inexpensive, labor can be upwards of 2x equipment cost.

Re: Nine US states are teaming up to accelerate the adoption of heat pumps

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I just replaced a furnace... everyone I called for a quote would not touch a heat pump with a 20foot pole, or they wanted prices that were 2X what a separate furnace and AC would cost to install. It was very strange. This is the second home where I had this experience.. basically, they really did not want to install it. I ended up going with gas as no local person would install/warranty a heat pump, or, it was priced…

If you’re somewhat rural the contractors just don’t have the experience to do it so they try to quote you out of the decision. I had to shop around until I found a contractor that had done this before and I was able to get a whole home heat pump for about the same price as a regular furnace/AC system (because of the rebates).

I thought of that, I am not rural (town is about 300,000 people)... Perhaps that is rural in some areas I guess.

The HVAC contractors here are pretty small, maybe they do not want to take the risk.

As someone else said, if I had more time, I would have purchased a few DIY split systems... I might do that for AC only, as I did not replace the AC at that time.

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Has anyone found a good way to control all the features of a heat pump with home automation? I’ve been lookin at Daikin and Mitsubishi but Daikin no longer has an open api and I don’t see much on Mitubishi. It seems like every heat pump comes with its own proprietary remote, and the thermostats and Wi-Fi modules (if available) don’t integrate well.

I have a suite of LG Minisplits installed in my apartment. While there isn't a distinctly open API, there's an integration that you can add to Home Assistant for access to the platform.

From there, I've got a few automations including:

  - Automatically turning off "conflicting" units (Heat vs Cool)
  - Schedules (set bedroom to cool at night) and "Away" modes
  - Temperature overrides using custom built temperature sensors (BME280 to the rescue)
  - Access and control via voice (via Google Assistants)
Unfortunately, the integration is reliant on the cloud, but you can connect a "traditional" relay based thermostat to them as well (with the loss of variable load control for the outside unit).
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