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I don't want anything your AI generates

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Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by defyonce »

AI art does "something" to my perception, I tend to strongly dislike it from the first glance, but I am unable to see why or whether it was generated.

In general, it makes me want to consume less and less of "this". Which, in a sense, coincides with the drop of media consumption in general.

What we see now is subtle poisoning of content: video games, news, social media, books, music.

At some point in the future, it is going to pass the threshold of not being worthy of attention for almost anyone, so the whole industries will collapse.

And we will have to start again, from one soul to the others, with permaban on anything computer generated.

In general, it is possible, to subtle integrate computer generation in creative workflows enabling artists to create something great with less effort, but I am not sure that LLM is the way to go with this.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by h_tbob »

d--b wrote: post #72

Sure you concede Copilot, then you’ll concede translation, then weather prediction, then it’s too late

Yeah I thought it was so funny he admitted at the end ..."except copilot" (quotes added for emphasis, can't remember what he actually said) But it was so funny he cancelled his whole premise by admitting that.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by boffinAudio »

stolenmerch wrote: post #52

I'm not a fan of this hyper aggressive line-in-the-sand argumentation about AI that pushes it all precariously close to culture war shenanigans. If you don't like a new technology that is perfectly cool and your right to an opinion. Please don't position it so that if I want to use AI I have to defend myself from accusations of exploiting labor and the environment. That is NOT at all clear, settled, or even correct m…

ALL technology can be weaponized, and what you are sleep-walking into is an era where AI is easily weaponized against not just nation states or groups, but the individual.

Either have this conversation now, or face the consequences when weaponized AI is so prevalent, you will have to dig a hole in the ocean to escape it ..

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by 0dayz »

At first I wanted to roll my eyes at the pearl clutching and move on but it actually pushed me in the opposite direction.

I want more Ai to automate the entire web, to push out us humans so that we can stop these cynical platforms from creating more anti-social, anti-moral and obsessive internet personas.

Or that now increasingly we all have to politically be pawns to certain influencers, heaven forbid you have an opinion of your own as that means less money for that poor poor influencer.

Maybe the internet could have been different, the early days of it certainly showed this, where even places where anti-social and anti-moral people met, could to a degree be human.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by anonzzzies »

> chatbot

Good luck with that; I don’t want that and never have, but this is only getting worse. Everyone is firing support / helpdesk employees for a $20/mo AI that indeed wastes your time. I wish companies that make money off a user (by payments or ads or selling your data; whatever) would get fined if not offering Real Person support. But it’s not going to happen and we are stuck with basically worthless AI support for now.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by handoflixue »

akira2501 wrote: post #105
stolenmerch wrote: post #52

I'm not a fan of this hyper aggressive line-in-the-sand argumentation about AI that pushes it all precariously close to culture war shenanigans. If you don't like a new technology that is perfectly cool and your right to an opinion. Please don't position it so that if I want to use AI I have to defend myself from accusations of exploiting labor and the environment. That is NOT at all clear, settled, or even correct m…

> Please don't position it so that if I want to use AI I have to defend myself from accusations of exploiting labor and the environment. I don't think this article even remote attempts this claim. The closest it gets is suggesting that if these defenses are too much trouble for you, then perhaps your use case for AI wasn't great in the first place. > but diatribes like this How is this a diatribe? There's nothing bit…

> it's entirely couched within the realm of personal opinion

"AI output is fundamentally derivative and exploitative"

"If you want custom art, pay an artist."

"Human recommendations will always be better."

If you can't argue against any of those stances, what stances are up for debate?

Surely the person you're responding to was just posting their own opinion, and you're as much a bully as they are?

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Post by handoflixue »

logicprog wrote: post #101
stolenmerch wrote: post #52

I'm not a fan of this hyper aggressive line-in-the-sand argumentation about AI that pushes it all precariously close to culture war shenanigans. If you don't like a new technology that is perfectly cool and your right to an opinion. Please don't position it so that if I want to use AI I have to defend myself from accusations of exploiting labor and the environment. That is NOT at all clear, settled, or even correct m…

The idea that machine learning like large language models and image generating systems exploit labor might be up for debate, but the fact that they are disproportionately damaging to the environment compared to the alternatives is certainly true in the same way that it's true for Bitcoin mining. And there's more than just those two aspects to consider, it's also very much worth considering how the widespread use of s…

> disproportionately damaging to the environment compared to the alternatives

This is a new one to me. Do you have any source for that? Once a model is trained, it seems pretty obvious that it takes Dall-E vastly less to create an image than a trained artist. I have trouble believing the training costs are really so large as to change the equation back to favoring humans.

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by handoflixue »

000ooo000 wrote: post #181
stolenmerch wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the effects of my actions in this case have yet to be demonstrated, let alone shown to cause harm. The author claims there is expoititive harm to labor, the environment, and maybe others. That is not at all obvious or provably true yet. As I said, I'm open to the discussion, but I can't defend myself in good faith when people claim some slam dunk moral certitude. Again, don't use generative AI if it makes you…

>The author claims there is expoititive harm to labor [...]. That is not at all obvious or provably true yet. Not at all obvious? These models are trained on vast amounts of content, much of it copyrighted, and basically none of it licensed.

Human artists have been training on the same content for decades and no one seemed to complain. You can argue that machines should be held to a different set of legal and ethical standards, but it's certainly not obvious.

Most factories are designed based on vast amounts of prior manual labor, so it's not like "automating a manual process based on analyzing existing methods" is new, either. Why is it okay to automate the knowledge of all those other craftsmen, but not that of painters?

Re: I don't want anything your AI generates

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Post by trashymctrash »

akira2501 wrote: post #105
stolenmerch wrote: post #52

I'm not a fan of this hyper aggressive line-in-the-sand argumentation about AI that pushes it all precariously close to culture war shenanigans. If you don't like a new technology that is perfectly cool and your right to an opinion. Please don't position it so that if I want to use AI I have to defend myself from accusations of exploiting labor and the environment. That is NOT at all clear, settled, or even correct m…

> Please don't position it so that if I want to use AI I have to defend myself from accusations of exploiting labor and the environment. I don't think this article even remote attempts this claim. The closest it gets is suggesting that if these defenses are too much trouble for you, then perhaps your use case for AI wasn't great in the first place. > but diatribes like this How is this a diatribe? There's nothing bit…

> You're effectively attempting to bully people out of their own opinions for the sake of your convenience.

Maybe it's just me, but "bully" seems like a very exaggerated choice of words here.

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