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Re: Asus Zenbook Duo 2024

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Vaguely related question for the gurus: are all Windows (/ Linux) laptops still hopelessly behind Macbooks in terms of speed? (since Apple announced the M1 and followups I mean) I’m trying to figure out if a laptop like this one is worth the lower cpu speed

Apple's primary advantage is being the first on TSMC's new process nodes, which generally yields a modest but not enormous performance advantage on single thread, no advantage for multi-thread (because Apple's CPUs have fewer cores), and only lasts for a few months before AMD is on the same process. At which point the results look like this: https://www.notebookcheck.net/R9-7945HX3D-vs-M2-Max_15073_14... Which is to…

Yeah, that's it and exactly what I have been thinking for a long time. Interestingly the single core power efficiency for Apple Silicon is through the roof, yet for multicore it is rather small (13-15%). Also depending on your workload, you might really need that battery life thanks to power efficiency because being up to 40% slower, the Mac will definitely make you wait longer. All kidding aside, anyone doing anything high performance knows the advertised battery life is bullshit and if you run anything demanding it will be 2-3 hours at best when the PC would be 1-2h, which at this point is not a big deal. Anybody arguing about Apple Silicon efficiency must be using it as a Facebook machine, something that Apple Silicon is very good at, but for this Chromebooks do just fine and are infinitely cheaper.

I believe this is a result of the architecture being derived from a mobile device where instant interaction for single running apps is the most important thing. As anyone could have guessed it doesn't scale very well for what PCs have been for a long time: extremely distributed computing, where the core running the UI do not have that much work to do, so a fast single core score doesn't translate in that big of a difference.

Which is exactly why most people feel like PCs have been stagnating for a while, because yeah from a UI performance point of view, things havent improved that much but it doesn't matter on such a device.

Just the other day I did some work on a M2 MacBook Pro (24GB version) and I was appalled at how slow the UI of Activity Monitor was on top of the general sluggishness feeling.

I do not understand WTF everybody is on about Apple Silicon, it is barely competitive, and certainly not at the price they sell it.

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