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Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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> they have higher damage-repair costs People tend to treat rentals with not a lot of care. That seems like it could certainly add up.

Is that really a thing? I'm super paranoid when I have a rental car, the idea of taking it back and having them basically able to charge you what they like for any damage gives me the fear.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep it classy and refrain from emotional outspurts.

It’s not very classy imo to call out someone else for not being classy.

that isnt logical. A tramp bursts into your store and tries to sleep on the floor. Telling him thats not cool isnt classy? Thats not the world we live in in either case.

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Teslas are extremely expensive to own. As the article says, collision repairs are extremely expensive, partially because of the design, partially because Tesla essentially fully controls the repair market. Also as mentioned in the article, depreciation is very high. I'm not fully sure why this is, but there is to some degree the same effect with luxury brands -- BMW, Mercedes, etc, where a lot of the signaling value…

Teslas are extremely expensive to own. BS. Cheaper by far than any gas car, in time and money! Half the cost to fuel. No more emissions check. No more oil changes. No more visits to the gas station. As the article says, collision repairs are extremely expensive I suspect this is also BS. That's par for the course with media outlets w/Tesla.

My own experience with having our (now-lease-returned) Model 3 backs up collision repairs being more expensive. I live a major metro that has a single repair shop certified to work on Tesla vehicles. They have a multi-month wait, and they charge more to repair Tesla vehicles than the equivalent luxury vehicle because they can.

A newer luxury SUV with an MSRP 2x of our Model 3 had a lower collision premium on our car insurance policy.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are ways to make this criticism where people would take you seriously.

Your comment is equally inflammatory to me. Behind the diction and emotionality of the poster, there are some entirely reasonable points that recapitulate the article itself.

I agree that there are reasonable points, that was the purpose of my comment, I thought the poster had something to offer, but am of the opinion that people won't take them seriously because of their approach.

Emotion is even a valid addition to the conversation if they thought it added to their point. What is unproductive is expressing that emotion by calling a car brand "absolute cancer".

I think it's valid to be upset about Tesla as a brand. I think it's valid to call out repairability issues. Coming across as hysterical means that people won't take you seriously despite that.

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I tried renting an EV from Hertz a couple months ago. I reserved a Model Y. They waited until the morning of to call me and tell me they didn't have one for me. Said they might have a model 3 (but not the model Y I reserved) 3-4 hours passed my reserved pickup time. I waited an hour or two, then found a model y on Turo that got the job done. Then Hertz tried to charged me for cancelling... they did fix that but I was…

Rental agencies don't actually "rent specific cars" - they sell rentals at specific price points and fill those obligations with whatever they have laying around at the time. Which is why it's almost best to just rent the lowest, cheapest thing, because they'll give you whatever they have. This stops working when you need a particular aspect of whatever it is, especially if it's an aspect nobody really "cares" about…

Generally that's true, but Hertz specifically does have a few classes of vehicle that only contain one model, and they advertise those as something like "guaranteed make/model" / "reserve this exact car".

And while they do run out, most of the time you will receive what you booked, and at larger airport locations they'll typically substitute something close in size and nature to what you booked if they do run out of your specific class.

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I rented a Tesla from Hertz once in Houston and the whole experience was terrible. Got to the counter and the agent first suggested that I take a gas car for $25/day. I was confused because that was so cheap, although the Tesla was already heavily discounted. Apparently, this was $25/day above what I had paid for the model 3 and it was for a compact economy car. I stuck with the Tesla. The agent warned me that repair…

I had a similar process the first time I rented a Tesla from Hertz (about a year ago). Counter-person was surly, gave me the key for the wrong vehicle (!) and gave me incorrect instructions on how to use the key. Hertz did send out an email in advance on how to use a Model 3/Y, including key entry (incorrect, unfortunately), door operation and charging.

Recently I rented one again, and the process was much improved, which I take as an indicator that (despite this sale), they haven't turned completely bearish on Tesla. Counter-person much more knowledgable and agreeable. No mixups. Also, the software has improved. The rental now provides an on-screen tutorial on using the car, and you can now use your phone as a key. Huge quality of life improvement.

Hertz could still do better. They need fast chargers at their location. All cars should be available "fully" charged (80%) with no need to bring the car back full. And they need to get rid of that ridiculous key-cover for the physical key that prevents you from just slipping it into your wallet like God intended.

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There is a massive disconnect between the attitudes toward EV's of people who have owned EV's and those who have not. Range anxiety tends to dissipate after a short time of real world driving experience. You're just not going to rent EV's to many non-owners, even if they are going to be driving less than 100 miles (typical business trip where you fly then rent a car).

> Range anxiety tends to dissipate after a short time of real world driving experience

disclaimer: havent owned. but i disagree with this, and others have mentioned in thread already. range anxiety dissipates for most people because 1. they mostly drive daily commutes of areas they know and 2. they become intimately familiar with the Tesla and how it finds the next supercharger for you on route. Both of these dont apply when renting a car most times.

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Teslas are extremely expensive to own. As the article says, collision repairs are extremely expensive, partially because of the design, partially because Tesla essentially fully controls the repair market. Also as mentioned in the article, depreciation is very high. I'm not fully sure why this is, but there is to some degree the same effect with luxury brands -- BMW, Mercedes, etc, where a lot of the signaling value…

Teslas are extremely expensive to own. BS. Cheaper by far than any gas car, in time and money! Half the cost to fuel. No more emissions check. No more oil changes. No more visits to the gas station. As the article says, collision repairs are extremely expensive I suspect this is also BS. That's par for the course with media outlets w/Tesla.

I'm not a media outlet. Friends of mine with Teslas that have been in accidents had large bills. Auto insurance for Teslas is expensive for this reason.

As for the fuel cost, it depends where you live. In California, if you have PG&E, it's roughly a wash despite our very high gas prices (electricity is even more outrageous)

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Not sure about the economics for the rental companies, but for a consumer, there are practical reasons why electric aren't quite as attractive. When you rent a car, more than likely you will be in unfamiliar territory. So it seems that it just adds to the stress of travel and yet another thing you have to pay attention to. Will my hotel have charging spots? Will I be able to charge at the client site I'm visiting? Ho…

FWIW I rented an electric volvo in november and its built in map (displayed by default even if you weren't using its nav system, which I did not) displayed charger sites. As it happened my hotel had a charger in the parking garage and the valets plugged my car in for me. One anecdote does not data make, and I didn't know at the time of reservation that my hotel would be adequately equipped.

As a second anecdote, I also rented one from Hertz (Polestar 2) and while it could navigate me to charging stations, at least 50% of the time I was unable to charge at a given location due to technical issues. It was bad enough that I had to divert 30 minutes off my planned route to find a working charger.

I look forward to owning an EV someday but the rental experience right now and in my state was VERY stressful.

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